Maximising a monster

[celtic]

fold on the flop

[NoflopsHomer]

Raise pre.

[celtic]

then fold on the flop

[bolt pp]

can we at least wait for the 8 turn and K river to come so we can fold to obv Quad Kings.

[NoflopsHomer]

then fold on the flop

Yes, but wait til it's checked to you, then look at the dealer, shake your head in disgust and fold face up.

[celtic]

then fold on the flop

Yes, but wait til it's checked to you, then look at the dealer, shake your head in disgust and fold face up.

and say.... fucking learn to deal something decent you useless prick?

[The Captain]

""and say.... fucking learn to deal something decent you useless prick?""


Assuming you have checked the card room for brothers and or cousins?

[bolt pp]

then fold on the flop

Yes, but wait til it's checked to you, then look at the dealer, shake your head in disgust and fold face up.

and say.... fucking learn to deal something decent you useless prick?

If you say this you have to throw your drink at him pretty much 100% of the time.

[AlexMartin]

then fold on the flop

Yes, but wait til it's checked to you, then look at the dealer, shake your head in disgust and fold face up.

and say.... fucking learn to deal something decent you useless prick?

If you say this you have to throw your drink at him pretty much 100% of the time.

side bet on vinny doing this sometime in 2009 someone pleeeeeease make a book.

[LuckyLloyd]

I check it back, ur viewed as too tight to get action from bluffs (checkraises), kings will bet flop as will fd's. Check it back, let someone takeoff, board is ridic dry and you have the nuts, give someone opportunity to do something silly.

I did bet 600, they all folded.  Oh well. I almost always bet here, btw.

My point in posting is really what Alex refers to here..if you yourself have a rock image, is there any mileage in checking, accepting the risk that someone may have two clubs, however unlikely, and hoping someone im proves on the turn?

In other words, build the pot down the streets not on the flop


Just experimenting with different thoughts.

I think you are approaching the problem the wrong way round imo. If your image is so well defined that you need to cooler people to get paid, I would contend that the fix is not to check it back in spots like this. Rather, get into the habit of betting on the come more often on these types of boards. It sounds like you have created a license to significantly open your range in a variety of situations. So start betting all your draws just as strongly and watch people take forever to adjust to your increased aggression.

Playing against what people are expecting in the broad sense = profit. Checking it back here equates to contracting your range even further and being more passive - neither of which are good as it just pigeon holes you further and makes you easier to play against. At some point in the hand your aim has to be to extract a large bet (in reality your aim should be to extract the most chips possible obv) and even if a flop check earns you a bet from one pair on the turn - everything they know about your game won't melt away when they are considering whether to call off to a value bet on the river just because you checked the flop.

The old mantra of "changing gears" doesn't just apply to an individual session or series of hands. If you are regularly playing tournaments amongst a relatively small playing base (i.e. usually four or more faces you know at a table) then you should be constantly shifting strategy in the medium to long term picture (wide to contracted range and then back again).

If you open up your betting frequency eventually (by the sounds of it in your case it would be a while!  ) you'll reach a point where you are getting owned by light call downs a few times - at which point you go the opposite direction and start tightening up again. Play against the tide, or something.

[TightEnd]

thanks Lloyd, welcome back to PHA

your thoughts are apposite here, been reaching the same conclusions myself for games against regular opponents.

[T_Mar]

Top post from Lloyd!

FWIW I would raise pre, and hit your set that way

[DaveShoelace]

Can we get more Lloyd posts on here please, awesome contributer.

As a little aside, I think Tighty has such a Tight image, I reckon we all stake him for a GUKPT main event on the rule that he has to reraise every other hand from start to finish. It would be the first ever GUKPT won without any showdowns ever (until heads up obv)

[TightEnd]

strangely enough, I do do plenty of things but the image is unshakeable!

advantages and disadvantages of this obviously

[StuartHopkin]

then fold on the flop

Yes, but wait til it's checked to you, then look at the dealer, shake your head in disgust and fold face up.

and say.... fucking learn to deal something decent you useless prick?

If you say this you have to throw your drink at him pretty much 100% of the time.

Surely if we do this 100% of the time he villain gets wise and starts to duck when we throw the drink?
If we do it about 72% i think this would maximinse the chances of getting them full in the face?