The short-stack pushes....

[AlexMartin]

GRRRRRR!!!!!! Mantis the guy has 6 bigs on the button on the final table! We have A10suited! thats all we need to know surely!!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen Alex, you can't get mad at ME for this guy's nittyness

It's not about what you SHOULD do. It's about what this guy's GONNA do. This is where internet skillz fail in the live game. The guy has just turned to his girlfriend....the person he has sex with....and told her how big his balls are....and he told her they are 5th place big. That's well small balls if you ask me. Now when he turns back to the table and faces all us mean bastards he ain't growing big bollocks and pushing with air. For all the reasons you find to push with marginal he will prob find as many reasons to be cautious. He's hoping for 5th Alex, he's not hoping to win.

At the final table last night, possible brag, I turned round to my mrs and said something about hammering every last one of these mother fuckers into the ground. I want 1st bad...so I push with all the hands you do. This guy isn't even thinking about 1st though.

He may have a suited K-Q and think it's the nutz, but I'd be surprised to see him pushing light here. Cos he knows he can achieve his 5th place ambition by folding. Anyway, even if we're marginally ahead why use your chips in this passive way at a nitty table? Tightend's surrounded by nits hoping to ladder, and it's the bubble, so the game is currently very very exploitable. If I'm putting 18k into this game it's going in raising not calling. Cos the way to beat a passive game is aggression you see. I will make that extra 18k in a couple of rounds without even having to show a hand. If Richard wants to be a better poker player he will ask himself why he can't bring himself to change gears in this type of situation and take down that easy money. Just taking a spin with a marginal hand cos YOUR range is pretty wide here is just making winning hard imo.

Internet poker makes you think what the guy said to his girlfriend is an unimportant factor. And the 6xbb is the most important factor. But it's not, cos that guy's still got to push dem chips over the line and that aint easy to do for a guy who only wants 5th, and doesn't know what 6xbb means. So don't Grrrrrr me dude

i admire ur thought process. but grrrrrrrr i disagree and i think other ppl reading (beginner players) wont have the same understanding of thought processes and live reads that you have, consequently will fold in terrible spots and lose money.

[TightEnd]

the result?

I called, frankly not considering enough the evidence around me, too quickly. Standard call  against most thinking oppos and online of course

He had AJ off

Pushed liberally for a level and a half from that point, never getting the double through I needed, then ladder lady woke up with AA when I went pushing once too often

[EvilPie]

grrrrr

[thetank]

the result?

I called, frankly not considering enough the evidence around me, too quickly. Standard call  against most thinking oppos and online of course

He had AJ off

Pushed liberally for a level and a half from that point, never getting the double through I needed, then ladder lady woke up with AA when I went pushing once too often

Sometimes you're going to get owned by the top of his range, but your call was still good imo.

[MANTIS01]

[MANTIS01]

GRRRRRR!!!!!! Mantis the guy has 6 bigs on the button on the final table! We have A10suited! thats all we need to know surely!!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen Alex, you can't get mad at ME for this guy's nittyness

It's not about what you SHOULD do. It's about what this guy's GONNA do. This is where internet skillz fail in the live game. The guy has just turned to his girlfriend....the person he has sex with....and told her how big his balls are....and he told her they are 5th place big. That's well small balls if you ask me. Now when he turns back to the table and faces all us mean bastards he ain't growing big bollocks and pushing with air. For all the reasons you find to push with marginal he will prob find as many reasons to be cautious. He's hoping for 5th Alex, he's not hoping to win.

At the final table last night, possible brag, I turned round to my mrs and said something about hammering every last one of these mother fuckers into the ground. I want 1st bad...so I push with all the hands you do. This guy isn't even thinking about 1st though.

He may have a suited K-Q and think it's the nutz, but I'd be surprised to see him pushing light here. Cos he knows he can achieve his 5th place ambition by folding. Anyway, even if we're marginally ahead why use your chips in this passive way at a nitty table? Tightend's surrounded by nits hoping to ladder, and it's the bubble, so the game is currently very very exploitable. If I'm putting 18k into this game it's going in raising not calling. Cos the way to beat a passive game is aggression you see. I will make that extra 18k in a couple of rounds without even having to show a hand. If Richard wants to be a better poker player he will ask himself why he can't bring himself to change gears in this type of situation and take down that easy money. Just taking a spin with a marginal hand cos YOUR range is pretty wide here is just making winning hard imo.

Internet poker makes you think what the guy said to his girlfriend is an unimportant factor. And the 6xbb is the most important factor. But it's not, cos that guy's still got to push dem chips over the line and that aint easy to do for a guy who only wants 5th, and doesn't know what 6xbb means. So don't Grrrrrr me dude

i admire ur thought process. but grrrrrrrr i disagree and i think other ppl reading (beginner players) wont have the same understanding of thought processes and live reads that you have, consequently will fold in terrible spots and lose money.

By even chatting about 5th the guy is playing a game of poker very badly. So we know he's bad. Bad is not pushing wide enough here. That's what this guy does. He is bad. You guys always cus live players for being bad but never think they make blunders. Although the situation dictates pushing wide is good poker this guy isn't playing good poker.

Callers win BFH imo.

[MKKfish]

I realise I'm posting after the result has been posted... but anyways;

Calling this and getting it wrong has waaay more downside than upside for me. At the moment you have an M of 8 with the button on you next hand. Getting beat here has you on an M of 3.6 within the next two minutes and just makes you way too vunerable and is gonna force you into spots where you are going to have to shove with very little fold equity.

Absolute nailed on pass for me.

[kinboshi]

grrr him again alex

this

[EvilPie]

I realise I'm posting after the result has been posted... but anyways;

Calling this and getting it wrong has waaay more downside than upside for me. At the moment you have an M of 8 with the button on you next hand. Getting beat here has you on an M of 3.6 within the next two minutes and just makes you way too vunerable and is gonna force you into spots where you are going to have to shove with very little fold equity.

Absolute nailed on pass for me.

Grrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!

With an M of 3.6 on this weak ass table you are still fine. If people are thinking of folding A10 then imagine how many bets you can get through?

This is such an easy call it's scary. Yes it went wrong but if you're folding A10 here you deserve to be grrrrr'd.

If you ever happen to be BB to my button could you please let me know who you are. I'll have a field day.

[gatso]

If people are thinking of folding A10 then imagine how many bets you can get through?

lol matt, we're the one thinking of folding AT here, not the rest of the table. we can't say that a table is weak because we're thinking about passing a hand

[kinboshi]

If people are thinking of folding A10 then imagine how many bets you can get through?

lol matt, we're the one thinking of folding AT here, not the rest of the table. we can't say that a table is weak because we're thinking about passing a hand

You missed the grrrrr.

[gatso]

grrrr

[MKKfish]

I realise I'm posting after the result has been posted... but anyways;

Calling this and getting it wrong has waaay more downside than upside for me. At the moment you have an M of 8 with the button on you next hand. Getting beat here has you on an M of 3.6 within the next two minutes and just makes you way too vunerable and is gonna force you into spots where you are going to have to shove with very little fold equity.

Absolute nailed on pass for me.

Grrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!

With an M of 3.6 on this weak ass table you are still fine. If people are thinking of folding A10 then imagine how many bets you can get through?

This is such an easy call it's scary. Yes it went wrong but if you're folding A10 here you deserve to be grrrrr'd.

If you ever happen to be BB to my button could you please let me know who you are. I'll have a field day.

I'll let you know... but those are not the positions in play here.. hero was SB so even more reason to let go of my 1,500 SB - not only is it marginal at best - and I'd rather be the aggressor with an M of 8 anyways - there's a chance the BB wakes with a monster and promptly inserts it into you.

But I'm sure you're a far better player than myself and can handle a shorter stack so I'll step out of the discussion now.

[EvilPie]

If people are thinking of folding A10 then imagine how many bets you can get through?

lol matt, we're the one thinking of folding AT here, not the rest of the table. we can't say that a table is weak because we're thinking about passing a hand

I know what you're saying but I also know what I meant.

Oh and grrrrrr.

[MANTIS01]

With an M of 3.6 on this weak ass table you are still fine. If people are thinking of folding A10 then imagine how many bets you can get through?

Sorry buddy, I don't get this. If you think the table is weak ass, and people will even fold hands like A-10, why would you want to just gamble your chips and your healthy M by calling an all-in? Even if you do guess right you've still gotta win the hand, which can easily be a flip or a 60-40. If you think the other players can be exploited with raises why give them the chance to flip with you? If you think you can get on top of this game then giving these guys the chance to flip with you is a mistake imo. If this is your read of the game then calling with the A-10 is just plain spewy. It's not the most effective use of your chips at all.

Also is the Grrrr a camp Grrrr, or like an animal Grrr or what cos it's freakin me out a bit now.