river plan?

[hatthehole]

PokerStars Game #23695965074: Tournament #131675771, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/01/08 13:43:13 ET
Table '131675771 29' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: vtr82w (2303 in chips)
Seat 2: hitthehole (2915 in chips)
Seat 3: Seb-musashi (3630 in chips)
Seat 4: missmuffer (1965 in chips)
Seat 5: NotProBono (8335 in chips)
Seat 7: dadaboss (3065 in chips)
Seat 8: Rugieee (2272 in chips)
Seat 9: crzysavage (2515 in chips)
hitthehole: posts small blind 25
Seb-musashi: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hitthehole [ ]
missmuffer: folds
NotProBono: folds
dadaboss: folds
Rugieee: raises 80 to 130
crzysavage: calls 130
vtr82w: folds
hitthehole: calls 105
Seb-musashi: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [ ]
hitthehole: checks
Seb-musashi: checks
Rugieee: checks
crzysavage: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Dzjengis is connected
hitthehole: bets 320
Seb-musashi: folds
Rugieee: calls 320
crzysavage: folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
hitthehole:?



no notes on opponents, early ish in the 6pm $109 on stars. thoughts on flop and turn play?

[Royal Flush]

Lead fold.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Lead call.

FYP

Can't see how he doesn't bet either TJ, x7, or overs and a FD after raising pre on this flop tbh. I guess he has something like busted spades, or AQsp. I deffo lead here, and prob call a jam. Otherwise he's prob just completely flopped it all with T7cl or something, and we move onto the next comp!

[NoflopsHomer]

Does anyone else here lead the flop?

[hatthehole]

Does anyone else here lead the flop?

i thought about leading flop but i thoiught that it looks really strong on such a connected board into 4 opponents, plan was to cr to repp 7x, cc etc

[NoflopsHomer]

Lead call.

FYP

Can't see how he doesn't bet either TJ, x7, or overs and a FD after raising pre on this flop tbh. I guess he has something like busted spades, or AQsp. I deffo lead here, and prob call a jam. Otherwise he's prob just completely flopped it all with T7cl or something, and we move onto the next comp!

Surely him raising on a bluff is super sprewy though? 7x would make up a decent proportion of our range after we bet turn and river.

[NoflopsHomer]

Does anyone else here lead the flop?

i thought about leading flop but i thoiught that it looks really strong on such a connected board into 4 opponents, plan was to cr to repp 7x, cc etc

Weak lead to 3bet shove vs overpair?

No-one is folding an overpair to just one bet anyway and most ppl aren't going to c-bet without a hand here 4-way.

[AlexMartin]

flop prolly lead to build pot v abundant dead wood in early stages and try and get stacks in. Obv ur going for CR which is prolly better plan actually.

River i most deffo check call. No value in betting as villain wont call w worse on a 1 card straight board with 4 players to the flop. Its tough for him to have a seven given he didnt freeze out flushdraws on turn although 7 makes up big chunk of range. Busted FD's make up the rest of his range, so check call.

[MANTIS01]

flop prolly lead to build pot v abundant dead wood in early stages and try and get stacks in. Obv ur going for CR which is prolly better plan actually.

River i most deffo check call. No value in betting as villain wont call w worse on a 1 card straight board with 4 players to the flop. Its tough for him to have a seven given he didnt freeze out flushdraws on turn although 7 makes up big chunk of range. Busted FD's make up the rest of his range, so check call.

Maybe you should rely on your first instincts Alex cos I think leading is the better line. The flop is draw heavy so business is virtually guaranteed and if your intention is to build a pot then leading into the raiser is just going to be the way to do that. All manner of raises could come in from pairs and draws, people love gambling early doors, and the raiser can pump his A-K cos he know aggression is the key to poker. Abs agree that river is c-call, sit back and admire your play when A-4 green bets pot.

[Royal Flush]

If you lead river he can only shove with hands that beat you, he won't be bluff shoving, i am guessing JT got there on the end?

[hatthehole]

If you lead river he can only shove with hands that beat you, he won't be bluff shoving, i am guessing JT got there on the end?

i check called river.  thought id maybe make it look like i had some missed fds in my range to get him to bluff some of his missed fds. yeah he had J10

[mondatoo]

I also take the check call line on the river, flushy why are we betting the river to fold to a raise if we check call this won't cost us much more than to lead  and we get to showdown whereas this way we aren't going to make anymore money out the hand if he folds and if he raises on the bluff then we are screwed by taking that line ?I'm pretty sure most 2pr or worse hands also check it down here hoping they're good so i just cant see reasoning for lead folding.I don't see any worse hands that are just flatting our lead on the river 2prs fold imo especially the way we've played the hand

I also 100% bet the flop there are loads of draws we could have so may get raised from opp with 2pr or strong draws and there are also too many scare cards on the turn that slow us down.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I don't lead flop. If i'm leading river i'm calling, but more often than not I just check call anyway.

[MANTIS01]

The other big advantage of c-calling the river is you may not go broke vs this hand, whereas if you lead you certainly will.

[NoflopsHomer]

The other big advantage of c-calling the river is you may not go broke vs this hand, whereas if you lead you certainly will.

Lead/folding is fine. You lose less vs a straight which will usually bet more than we will on the river if we check.