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What the hell has he got??
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January 14, 2009, 12:20:58 AM »
Playing in a live £75 tournament at DTD. Was sat next to oppo on previous table and have some history of me re raising his button raises when I was SB to his button. We have already talked about this so we both know the score.
We are now sat opposite each other and it's my BB.
I'm on 25k, he's on about 12k, blinds are 300/600 + 50.
It folds to him and he raises it up to 1600. This is a fairly standard raise for him. He never seems to raise more than 3 x BBs and is often in the 2.5 BB area. He's been quite active especially in unopened pots but so have I and like I say we both know this. He also doesn't often flat call. It's either raise or pass.
Anyway I flat it with
and we see a flop of
I check and he checks behind. Turn comes
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Check, check again.
River comes
so I lead out for 2k hoping to catch a few extra if he's got a bit of the board or a small pair. The pot is now 3900.
He has a little think and repops it to 7k leaving himself about 3.5k behind.
What's my action here? What can I be putting him on? Is it worth calling off 5000 chips?
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January 14, 2009, 12:24:48 AM »
fold pre please
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Re: What the hell has he got??
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January 14, 2009, 02:52:50 AM »
Can't really fault the preflop call, plenty in the pot at this stage.
Don't know if I like leading the river though.
As for what does villian have? Almost ATC here. You've checked both the flop/turn and are now firing on the river. You don't mention any history of villians post flop play (eg, does he usually cbet?), but your line here is hardly strong.
Given that I say he could have almost anything it's almost worth calling given that you're getting 2 to 1. But I much prefer to check this down, or even check/call if you feel you're ahead, as he probably has a better hand than you a decent amount of the time here.
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January 14, 2009, 03:24:15 AM »
Quote from: booder on January 14, 2009, 12:24:48 AM
fold pre please
Or raise, don't flat and play a marginal hand unless you're comfortable playing spots like this on the river.
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January 14, 2009, 05:21:35 AM »
I don't think you were ever ahead.
Why doesn't he bet the A on a rainbow board? Prob because he has it.
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Quote from: NoflopsHomer on January 14, 2009, 03:24:15 AM
Quote from: booder on January 14, 2009, 12:24:48 AM
fold pre please
Or raise, don't flat and play a marginal hand unless you're comfortable playing spots like this on the river.
This.
there is a reason he only raises less than 3BBs at a time..and you playing K7 is it.
I reckon you're well behind here.
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January 14, 2009, 07:42:18 AM »
Pre flop- Fold >>> Raise>Shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Call.
Playing this hand oop this deep is not good imo, you are never going to extract enough when you flop a monster and when you make marginal hands you have horrid reverse implied odds, which will be a sod to play oop. Shades of the Claw vs Simon Galloway hands this.
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January 14, 2009, 09:28:17 AM »
I need to turn this round now and tell you the reason for posting this hand.
It was actually the opposite way round. I was the one who'd raised and he flatted from the BB.
I wanted to get people's thoughts on how I had played the hand from the other guy's perspective and see what he could put me on to call the 5k on the river with his K7.
As it was he was correct to call as I had QQ. I couldn't see how he could be strong here so decided to bluff at the pot with the 5k raise and he managed to find the call. It wasn't a snap call either, it took a few minutes.
I couldn't see what he could have to bet 2k on the river. I had put him on the king but with a better kicker. Something like KJ / KQ was my thinking. I figured I could even get weak aces to lay down with this bet. I couldn't see the point in calling, it was too much of my stack and I'm only beating a bluff. By raising I figure I can get a lot of better hands to pass. Is this a mistake? Should I just give up on the pot and pass?
I thought my 5k raise looked strong, certainly stronger than K7 but he said he just couldn't figure out how I could be strong to have played the hand the way I did.
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January 14, 2009, 10:34:10 AM »
Whatever your thinking the bottom line is you represented the A on the river at a price of 7k when you could have represented in on the flop for 2.5k. Paying 3x the price for the same move can never be classed as prudent poker imo.
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Quote from: MANTIS01 on January 14, 2009, 10:34:10 AM
Whatever your thinking the bottom line is you represented the A on the river at a price of 7k when you could have represented in on the flop for 2.5k. Paying 3x the price for the same move can never be classed as prudent poker imo.
Yeah I know what you're saying. The guy was no fool though. He can see through a c bet rep quite easily and is likely to raise to put me to the test as his stack is much bigger than mine.
I thought afterwards that I should maybe have repped it on the flop, checked behind on the turn then jam the river if his betting allows it. I don't think I'm deep enough here to get away with this though. At some point we're going to end up with him shoving first or me shoving with no FE.
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January 14, 2009, 11:07:26 AM »
Why didn't you bet the flop or turn Evil?
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Quote from: GreekStein on January 14, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
Why didn't you bet the flop or turn Evil?
I didn't bet the flop because I wanted to give him a chance to make a move on the turn. I assume I'm ahead on the flop because he reraises me from the BB with most aces. However, if I bet there is a strong chance that he will raise me knowing that I'm on a standard "find out where I am" type bet which will put me to a big test. I expect him to take a shot on the turn but when the K comes my hand is now a lot more vulnerable so I'm pleased with the chance to check and keep the pot small.
When he bets the river I just don't think he's that strong. The way he played the hand made me feel that I could get him off the pot. If he was strong he would be betting earlier because he has a good chance of getting my chips. I can't imagine that I'm ahead though so it's either raise it or pass.
I know that this is one of those hands where I'm turning a big hand in to a bluff but I was well aware of this at the time. I might as well have had nothing but I still think the call would be poor as I can only beat a bluff. I thought the raise would see off a lot of hands that were beating me.
Oppo was Ben Vinson btw. He's a very good player and knows what he's doing so I needed to be very careful how I played this hand. Unfortunately I wasn't careful enough
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January 14, 2009, 12:25:22 PM »
If you raised pre with A-10 what would you do on the flop when it was checked to you?
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Re: What the hell has he got??
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January 14, 2009, 12:35:56 PM »
What is confusing is the check on the turn. I'd only expect him to do this strong if the King improved him.
I dunno, either he has 2 pair or possible set, or he has air. But I guess it's much more likely he's strong in this spot, and you should probably muck.
I can see why your radar was buzzing on this one though...
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