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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2009, 01:34:14 AM »

I still don't get why a guy who says he's very happy to get his whole stack in at any point bets a miserly 4k on the river. Who can explain that? I said at the time it looked like a blocker bet. If it is a blocker bet then he can't possibly say he would have been happy to call a jam...cos that's not why you put a blocker bet out there. The only way his after the fact statement is genuine is if he put in the small bet to encourage the jam. Maybe, the op can confirm whether he was the type of player to do this and whether op was seen as someone who could jam bluff the river. If this is the case then considering op didn't jam the river 3-5 guy was plain wrong anyway. If we do agree the river bet is a blocker then the jam could well have won the hand regardless of what the other guy said.

he bet small because he put villain on exactly what he had and wanted a call. Its an impossible task getting people to fold a flush draw, you are gonna burn through the fortunes of a thousand arabs trying to get people to fold made flushes.

Do you think 25% of the pot is a good sized vb here?
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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2009, 03:11:25 AM »

I might pass this pre?

Totally depends on how the villain has previously played hands tho whilst im at the table. I think all options are available pre - raise, call or fold pre.

Call is fine tho.
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2009, 03:55:00 PM »

We could do with some information on the villain here. If he's a tight player, then I see no reason to relinquish the hand preflop. If he's been playing a lot of hands, then I'd rather reraise preflop and apply the pressure, rather than flat-call without really knowing how strong our hand is compared to his and letting a couple of other players sneak in behind and force us to potentially play a hand out of position. As it is, I think we have to continue with this hand on the turn due to the draws on board. Because it's four handed, I'd be surprised if he continue bet with air, so I think we should just flat-call then reassess on the river. Hopefully we can get a good read on the end and either duck a made hand or pick off a bluff from a missed draw.

Give that the river is the , I fold because it has filled up draws - two pair hands like A-K and K-Q are also feasible. I can't see what hands we're beating here, especially considering he's only bet around 3/5ths of the pot.
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2009, 04:09:27 PM »

Snoops, the river bet is 4k into 16,225. This is less than 1/4 of the pot. Also, did you know that 4 out of 3 people struggle with fractions Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2009, 06:31:56 PM »

Snoops, the river bet is 4k into 16,225. This is less than 1/4 of the pot. Also, did you know that 4 out of 3 people struggle with fractions Smiley

Either way, it's a small bet, and the point still stands that it's very unlikely to be a bluff, and too frequently a hand that will call a reraise too.

I dropped Maths at PHD level.
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2009, 08:20:33 AM »

I might pass this pre?

Totally depends on how the villain has previously played hands tho whilst im at the table. I think all options are available pre - raise, call or fold pre.

Call is fine tho.

as if you do! we can deffo play ajs profitably ip here v most reasonable players.
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2009, 10:53:42 AM »

I might pass this pre?

Totally depends on how the villain has previously played hands tho whilst im at the table. I think all options are available pre - raise, call or fold pre.

Call is fine tho.

as if you do! we can deffo play ajs profitably ip here v most reasonable players.

juuuuuuune. super nit ftw until deeper imo.

[  ] My opinion wouldnt be different if i had AJ of green or blue.
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