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« Reply #285 on: January 18, 2009, 07:25:46 PM »

yes m8 just got out of hand. need to sit the  dealers down and tell them all the rules. then it would not have got so bad.
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« Reply #286 on: January 18, 2009, 09:12:54 PM »

Martyn Cavanagh here iwan is my m8 and i like  priyan as well. must say i was on next table when ian said to dealer does that go. dealer says i THINK SO. i think we all no thats not much help.  iwan then says get a ruling he was not doing it to help ian or priyan. just to get on with next hand. i no he did not wont to upset any one. i no he will not like me saying this but he is upset by all this.  hi sofa u still my KING

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« Reply #287 on: January 19, 2009, 12:59:28 AM »

Even if the ruling is right by the rules it's a terrible one and needs to be changed.

This was an awful ruling.  So basically making a verbal declaration (out of turn) is binding  WTF!!!!
I was chatting to Jonathan Raab along with 4 or 5 players about this ruling and its just pure madness.  It needs taking out of ALL Grosvenor rule books and burning.

People should not be enforced to put their chips in a pot when its out of turn action.  Only if chips had passed over the line should a bet stand.

This ruling also affected the 250 freezeout for 1 hour, as I overheard somebody mentioning that this rule was also enforced on a different table to mine.

Found a few rules on the gukpt website
rule 35 All action out of turn goes. A player who bets out of turn will be penalised for that round only.
rule 44 Verbal declarations in turn are binding, verbal declarations out of turn will be binding if the action to that player has not changed when it is their turn to act, check, call or fold is not considered an action change.

I believe that rule 44 was used in this incident, however it seems still a grey area due to the fact that no amounts were mentioned.

It seems the common sense rule was thrown out of the window !!

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« Reply #288 on: January 19, 2009, 08:37:40 AM »

this has been a grosvenor rule rule for years- it isn't a new rule.

I remember a few years ago Barry Neville in the Blackpool main event said on the river "if you bet I wll call" trying to stop the player betting. The player moved allin and Barry was forced to call the obvious nuts by the other player. This ruling was made correctly by Danny. It is the players responsibilty to be aware of the rules and currently a verbal declaration is binding (even an out of turn one). If Pryan had said "be carefull/ you bet and I will probably call etc" then it wouldnt be binding. Its not the best rule in the world but it is one of the rules so any player on the table is entitled to ask for a ruling at any stage just like any player is entitled to call for a clock etc.

Iwan as a bloke is a nice guy and doesn't mind voicing his opinion. Its hard on pryan but he has done nothing wrong here. I know he won't have done it in any malice but there is plenty of moodying and arsing about at the business end of tournaments and with blinds going up an a depleted stack he probably just wanted to get on with things. The other thing we all need to realise is a TD ruling is final even if it is incorrect. I have had many rulings made on me over the years that have been far worse than this one but the TD is there as the poker police if you like and what they say goes- end of story theres nothing can be done. If rule changes are now made because of this I'm sure plenty of people will actually thank Iwan for bringing this to the rule comities attention.

incidentally I think attacking the TD who made this ruling is a little out of orer as he has followed the rules as they stand. I think Dena, zach, Ian or any of the team would have made the same ruling. Just like at any other tournament where they follow the rules (even if the rules seem harsh they still need to be followed by the tournament staff or it would be chaos).
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