blonde & Poker Trillion

[tikay]

Just want to congratulate Punters Lounge again on winning the Forum Challenge and hope they enjoy the Freeroll.....

We sought assurances on this, months ago. We were assured, 100%, that the Freeroll would be honoured, & go ahead, & I'm sure it will, & as it's "cage money", everything will be fine.

I had very mixed feelings about that Forum Challenge, like you would not belueve. I was lambasted by many for not playing it, but I had my reasons.

In truth, when we narrowly lost it, I was almost relieved, as it was a worry out of the way. A horrible thing to say, but true.

It'll be OK, I'm quite certain, & I wish the Punters Lounge guys the very best, well done to them.

this applies to me too. By November, I was promoting the challenge the minimum I could, almost afraid to win it. Not that it happened!

I am not sure I made totally correct decisions (albeit those I made were in good faith) at times over this matter, with respect to continuing the challenge/or not and balancing blonde's need to recover its debt and a duty of care to our members.

Its been a strain for all of us involved at this end, and still we're no closer to recovering our money with ongoing consequences 

Rich, you have nothing to regret. You & I debated this endlessly, we were in a really tough corner.

Your strength was awesome, you are a big man. We have nothing to regret as to how we handled it. We debated, decided, & acted as we saw right.

[Robert HM]

got a few $s left on Trillion, just off to spin it down.

[tikay]

And now, the PM's are flying in, with Trillion anecdotes & scare stories.

There is such an irony here. I'm always arguing "argue & flame in private, keep these things off-Forum", but it's the other way round here!

To those who have already sent PM's, thank you, & really, I don't blame you for doing it via PM.

[Dingdell]

I have never trusted anyone who called the child Maxamilion, the same goes for something called Trillion. I for one, have only ever played there once to support blonde and never after that.

I really hope you get your money but all they will be doing now is using any money they do get in to pay to keep themselves going, they wont be interested in paying past debts which don't benefit them at all. If you had some leverage you may be able to persuade them....

[DaveShoelace]

Online Poker, in the last 18 months, has had a real cloud over it and I think it all comes down to one word, Trust.

2 years ago I would laugh at the tin foil hat brigade that suggested that your money wasn't safe online, that cheating was rife and said 'what's to stop an online poker room nicking your money?'. I firmly believed online poker didn't have the same shady reputation that a sleazy casino full of nippers sometimes had.

Now I have been let down, shocked, scared and shafted by the online and more 'corporate' side of the poker industry. It started with Superusers and UIGEAs, then moved onto things like those microgaming tusk network skins closing down and a shit load of scandals since it. I've signed up to poker rooms via affliates who promised me the world in rakeback deals and gave me sod all, I've taken months out of my life working for a Euro poker magazine that never paid me and even (though I must say I enjoyed every minute of it) got grimmed by Fergus.

Yet, this week I send £100 to Boldie, a man I have never met and who frankly looks like a serial killer, for him to put bets on horses for me - why?

Trust. Many people I trust, trust him, so until he grims us so shall I.

The fact is until this industry is regulated tightly, I think we all have to take much more time before jumping into any poker agreement, whether its staking someone, working for someone or even just signing up to an online poker room. These days I am very quick to reject all these offers of '65% rakeback $$$$!' or any promises of easy money in poker, because they are often complete bullshit. Nowadays I wont enter any agreement without some sort of recommendation from a trusted friend or at least if the company behind them can be held accountable in some way (Like Sky Poker, they're on the telly n that). I only really play on poker skins where I know or can contact the card room manager easily, more often than not ones where I know them personally. Even then, I never keep more than a few grand in any one card room nowadays, it just is too big a gamble in the current economic climate and the unregulated poker landscape.

I trust Pokerstars (even though I'm banned), I sort of trust Full Tilt but they are starting to become real megalomaniacs with peoples accounts, I think I trust Party, Ladbrokes, Will hill and all the other UK based bookies and if I ever decided to go back to iPoker it would be with Blonde, because of posts like this from Tikay, which keep you informed even if the news aint good.

I think we all need to take much more time, more research and consideration when entering any online poker deal until the industry is regulated (if it ever is) and realise that we are always taking a bit of a gamble before the first card is dealt.

(Or, Poker Trillion, what a bunch of nob-poos, if you want a shorter version of the above post)

[DaveShoelace]

Wow that last post was nearly an article, I might flog that

[Royal Flush]

It won't get the money back but arming Bolt with a Molotov will bring a lot of satisfaction!

[George2Loose]

Online Poker, in the last 18 months, has had a real cloud over it and I think it all comes down to one word, Trust.

2 years ago I would laugh at the tin foil hat brigade that suggested that your money wasn't safe online, that cheating was rife and said 'what's to stop an online poker room nicking your money?'. I firmly believed online poker didn't have the same shady reputation that a sleazy casino full of nippers sometimes had.

Now I have been let down, shocked, scared and shafted by the online and more 'corporate' side of the poker industry. It started with Superusers and UIGEAs, then moved onto things like those microgaming tusk network skins closing down and a shit load of scandals since it. I've signed up to poker rooms via affliates who promised me the world in rakeback deals and gave me sod all, I've taken months out of my life working for a Euro poker magazine that never paid me and even (though I must say I enjoyed every minute of it) got grimmed by Fergus.

Yet, this week I send £100 to Boldie, a man I have never met and who frankly looks like a serial killer, for him to put bets on horses for me - why?

Trust. Many people I trust, trust him, so until he grims us so shall I.

The fact is until this industry is regulated tightly, I think we all have to take much more time before jumping into any poker agreement, whether its staking someone, working for someone or even just signing up to an online poker room. These days I am very quick to reject all these offers of '65% rakeback $$$$!' or any promises of easy money in poker, because they are often complete bullshit. Nowadays I wont enter any agreement without some sort of recommendation from a trusted friend or at least if the company behind them can be held accountable in some way (Like Sky Poker, they're on the telly n that). I only really play on poker skins where I know or can contact the card room manager easily, more often than not ones where I know them personally. Even then, I never keep more than a few grand in any one card room nowadays, it just is too big a gamble in the current economic climate and the unregulated poker landscape.

I trust Pokerstars (even though I'm banned), I sort of trust Full Tilt but they are starting to become real megalomaniacs with peoples accounts, I think I trust Party, Ladbrokes, Will hill and all the other UK based bookies and if I ever decided to go back to iPoker it would be with Blonde, because of posts like this from Tikay, which keep you informed even if the news aint good.

I think we all need to take much more time, more research and consideration when entering any online poker deal until the industry is regulated (if it ever is) and realise that we are always taking a bit of a gamble before the first card is dealt.

(Or, Poker Trillion, what a bunch of nob-poos, if you want a shorter version of the above post)

this an old story? How come you're banned from stars Barry?

[TightEnd]

Wow that last post was nearly an article, I might flog that

I already have. Renamed it, changed a few words. Sent it off

Sorry.

[Claw75]

It won't get the money back but arming Bolt with a giant sky remote will bring a lot of satisfaction!

fyp

[Laxie]

got a few $s left on Trillion, just off to spin it down.

Tried that.  Ended UP money.  Sigh.

[tikay]

I have never trusted anyone who called the child Maxamilion, the same goes for something called Trillion. I for one, have only ever played there once to support blonde and never after that.

I really hope you get your money but all they will be doing now is using any money they do get in to pay to keep themselves going, they wont be interested in paying past debts which don't benefit them at all. If you had some leverage you may be able to persuade them....

Thanks Trace.

I must stress, that it's my understanding, & belief, that the Poker Trillion Cardroom is quite profitable at the Gross Profit Level. But not at the Net Level.

Gross Profit is amount earned before operating costs, staff, running costs, Network Obligations (Overlays, guarantees), Advertising, etc. Net Profit is what's left. (Yes, you know all this, but others may not).

There is an accounting oddity here, too. By definition, Everleaf are, in effect, whilst not a preferential creditor, they are first in the queue, because they have to pay Poker Trilion the Net Rake (Gross Rake less Network Charges) every month. So if there are Overlays to be paid for, they would simply deduct them at source, so Triliion would not get that Net Rake figure at all. In fact, they'd get nothing, if the Overlay sum was big enough. Well that's my guess - informed guess - anyway.

Some leverage? Lol, no. I've said, I know a lot of the individuals, & believe them to be straight guys. I wish they'd tell me who the "mystery backers" are, but they won't, so that's that. I don't have any "leverage material", & I'd not use it if I did, it's just not my style.

We asked them, again & again, give us some tangible news, tell us when you'll pay, give us some re-scheduled repayment plans. All to no avail. We tried again, & warned them we would seek redress "by all means possible", they just said "here's our Registered Address in Malta". Which we took to mean "sue if you like". It was a bit sad that Andy would not chat to me. He's in a tough spot, I know that, but I assured him, time & again, "this is not personal, it's business".

We al react to problems such as this in different ways. Andy hid, & I feel for him. Not as much as I feel for bonde though, as we have wages to pay, & we have to worry about our own first.

We'll sort it, we'll pay our Team, in full, & blonde will be OK, though changes are becoming more inevitable by the day. £7k would be kinda handy right now, though.

[DaveShoelace]

Wow that last post was nearly an article, I might flog that

I already have. Renamed it, changed a few words. Sent it off

Sorry.

Its about time someone did it to me to be fair, Ive gotten away with it for years.

[gatso]

this week I send £100 to Boldie, a man I have never met and who frankly looks like a serial killer, for him to put bets on horses for me - why?

great line. sounds like the intro to a dave gorman book

[DaveShoelace]

Online Poker, in the last 18 months, has had a real cloud over it and I think it all comes down to one word, Trust.

2 years ago I would laugh at the tin foil hat brigade that suggested that your money wasn't safe online, that cheating was rife and said 'what's to stop an online poker room nicking your money?'. I firmly believed online poker didn't have the same shady reputation that a sleazy casino full of nippers sometimes had.

Now I have been let down, shocked, scared and shafted by the online and more 'corporate' side of the poker industry. It started with Superusers and UIGEAs, then moved onto things like those microgaming tusk network skins closing down and a shit load of scandals since it. I've signed up to poker rooms via affliates who promised me the world in rakeback deals and gave me sod all, I've taken months out of my life working for a Euro poker magazine that never paid me and even (though I must say I enjoyed every minute of it) got grimmed by Fergus.

Yet, this week I send £100 to Boldie, a man I have never met and who frankly looks like a serial killer, for him to put bets on horses for me - why?

Trust. Many people I trust, trust him, so until he grims us so shall I.

The fact is until this industry is regulated tightly, I think we all have to take much more time before jumping into any poker agreement, whether its staking someone, working for someone or even just signing up to an online poker room. These days I am very quick to reject all these offers of '65% rakeback $$$$!' or any promises of easy money in poker, because they are often complete bullshit. Nowadays I wont enter any agreement without some sort of recommendation from a trusted friend or at least if the company behind them can be held accountable in some way (Like Sky Poker, they're on the telly n that). I only really play on poker skins where I know or can contact the card room manager easily, more often than not ones where I know them personally. Even then, I never keep more than a few grand in any one card room nowadays, it just is too big a gamble in the current economic climate and the unregulated poker landscape.

I trust Pokerstars (even though I'm banned), I sort of trust Full Tilt but they are starting to become real megalomaniacs with peoples accounts, I think I trust Party, Ladbrokes, Will hill and all the other UK based bookies and if I ever decided to go back to iPoker it would be with Blonde, because of posts like this from Tikay, which keep you informed even if the news aint good.

I think we all need to take much more time, more research and consideration when entering any online poker deal until the industry is regulated (if it ever is) and realise that we are always taking a bit of a gamble before the first card is dealt.

(Or, Poker Trillion, what a bunch of nob-poos, if you want a shorter version of the above post)

this an old story? How come you're banned from stars Barry?

Me and a team of players got together and won the sunday million by sharing accounts.

Or, the more boring answer is http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=35010.0

I must say, I think Pokerstars are the greatest Customer Service provider in all of poker, but I think they got this one wrong and I've seen a bunch of threads on 2+2 with the same problem. I'm not paying the amount off in principle.