blonde & Poker Trillion

[bolt pp]

Hi Col,

I have business to attend to today, on the South Coast, so I'm pushed for time right now. But I'd like to clarify a few things.

 Some of the forum owners are selective with the info they publish...... Nothing like a scare story about players loosing funds to get visitors

I hope that does not refer to blonde - we have stressed, again & again, that in our view, Players Funds are not at risk. We have published facts - that PT owe us £7,000, not scare-stories.

So I'm curious what Forums you were referring to, though. Punters Lounge have not allowed the matter to be debated, & I have yet to see it anywhere else.

So what Forums are publishing "scare stories", please?

[tikay]

Further to the Post by Col, aka blonde Member "Poker Trilllion", I'd comment further.

I am assuming that Col will acknowledges that I have been extremely discrete hitherto. He & I have exchanged reams of e-Mails & spoken on the 'phone for an age.

I'd like to ask a few questions of Colin. They are, perhaps, a little impertinent, but under the circumstances, I think they are fine.

1) The Staff of Poker Trillion are yourself, & Andy Pyrah. How many months is it since either of you received wages - 3, 4, 5?

2) Is it true that the Poker Trilion Trade Creditors include (I'll not specifically name them) the Poker Print Media (3 magazines at least), Poker Websites (more than one....),  Staff, & Everleaf?

3) Who are the financial backers, &/or Directors, of Poker Trillion? I understand the spot you are in, but it's not credible to suggest you do not know who you work for.

I'm very grateful that you have been, I think, & up to a point, open & honest with me. But I think you need to go a little further.

I'm here, busily reassuring Players that their money is safe on Poker Trillion, as Everleaf, in effect, hold it, & guarantee it.

But I believe Poker Trillion may

....have run up debtors to Trade Creditors in the last 5 months in that run into 6 figures.

.....have not received a cent of income during that period, it having been withheld at source by Everleaf to satisfy Network Charges, Guarantees, Reload Bonuses, & Overlay.

Can you comment on those scenarios, please?

Finally, I'd be interested in your views on the ethicacy of running a business which is accumulating debts to trade creditors, parallel with having zero income.

I sort of regret putting you in a spot here Col. But there is a mountain of debt at stake here, the £7k owed to blonde is but a fraction of the total. This is a very serious matter.

I do think that the Poker Community - who, blonde apart, seem wholly relaxed about this Poker Trillion debacle - need to be aware of the enormity of this affair. You are running a business that has no income, unless I am mistaken. And businesses like blonde are paying for that.

[tikay]

Hi Col,

I have business to attend to today, on the South Coast, so I'm pushed for time right now. But I'd like to clarify a few things.

 Some of the forum owners are selective with the info they publish...... Nothing like a scare story about players loosing funds to get visitors

I hope that does not refer to blonde - we have stressed, again & again, that in our view, Players Funds are not at risk. We have published facts - that PT owe us £7,000, not scare-stories.

So I'm curious what Forums you were referring to, though. Punters Lounge have not allowed the matter to be debated, & I have yet to see it anywhere else.

So what Forums are publishing "scare stories", please?

Tony,

Not directed at you at all.

I was under the kosh at the time as I was being fired questions on MSN. On my mind for some reason was the 'Tusk' situation. This was not said in public, and I only posted the whole conversation, as I didn't want any wrong conclusions to be drawn after I was 'partially' quoted.

Your clarification of your confidence is players funds is both accurate and appreciated, and it really was not meant as a dig at you guys at all.

Col

Thanks Col, I appreciate that clarification, & I understand the pressure you were under during that MSN Convo.

I gotta go now, have a good day!

[MANTIS01]

The comment about scare stories and who's to blame for them is interesting. Does anyone need to be told Fergus can't be trusted...or has he simply demonstrated that himself? The uncertainty about whether Fergus can be trusted is down to nobody but Fergus and the way he conducted himself...not what someone said about him. As soon as you know the facts of the matter it makes "scare stories" irrelevant...because as rational adults you can see the reality is the fact of grimming is the scare story, not any comment about the grimming. If PT grim people then any assurance that money is safe with PT is ridic lip-service imo. Fergus may have only grimmed once or twice and could be backed by Richard Branson for all I care...but I still wouldn't lend the kid any money, depite his assurances.

[Poker Trillion]

Further to the Post by Col, aka blonde Member "Poker Trilllion", I'd comment further.

I am assuming that Col will acknowledges that I have been extremely discrete hitherto. He & I have exchanged reams of e-Mails & spoken on the 'phone for an age.

I'd like to ask a few questions of Colin. They are, perhaps, a little impertinent, but under the circumstances, I think they are fine.

1) The Staff of Poker Trillion are yourself, & Andy Pyrah. How many months is it since either of you received wages - 3, 4, 5?

2) Is it true that the Poker Trilion Trade Creditors include (I'll not specifically name them) the Poker Print Media (3 magazines at least), Poker Websites (more than one....),  Staff, & Everleaf?

3) Who are the financial backers, &/or Directors, of Poker Trillion? I understand the spot you are in, but it's not credible to suggest you do not know who you work for.

I'm very grateful that you have been, I think, & up to a point, open & honest with me. But I think you need to go a little further.

I'm here, busily reassuring Players that their money is safe on Poker Trillion, as Everleaf, in effect, hold it, & guarantee it.

But I believe Poker Trillion may

....have run up debtors to Trade Creditors in the last 5 months in that run into 6 figures.

.....have not received a cent of income during that period, it having been withheld at source by Everleaf to satisfy Network Charges, Guarantees, Reload Bonuses, & Overlay.

Can you comment on those scenarios, please?

Finally, I'd be interested in your views on the ethicacy of running a business which is accumulating debts to trade creditors, parallel with having zero income.

I sort of regret putting you in a spot here Col. But there is a mountain of debt at stake here, the £7k owed to blonde is but a fraction of the total. This is a very serious matter.

I do think that the Poker Community - who, blonde apart, seem wholly relaxed about this Poker Trillion debacle - need to be aware of the enormity of this affair. You are running a business that has no income, unless I am mistaken. And businesses like blonde are paying for that.

Tony,

In short, I do not mind you asking these questions. The real truth is I do not know the answers. I have some hunches, but that's all they are, and more speculation is not whats needed.

What I can tell you is this:

I have not received a wage for 4 months. The reason I am still here is because I wrongly beleived it was 'on it's way' I also love my job and feel a duty of service to the players.

I tendered my resignation to Trillion last week and will be here for the next week.

I have offered to work with ELG in the future and am meeting with them next week to discuss a route forward.

I do not know what is owed or to who. I only found out what was owed to Blonde after Tony told me the other day.

I am not a director, shareholder or officer of PT, just a mere employee and I was not privvy to such information. I never had access to the bank accounts and never dealt with invoicing in any way shape or form. I am trying to find out answers to many of the same questions.

There has already been speculation as to who Trillions backers were. I can confirm (to the best of my knowledge) that Trillion has not had any financial backing in any way shape or form for some months, hence the current situation.

The company is a Maltese LTD company and I understand the director/s names are on public records, although I have not looked as to who they are. I might get more answers here after my meeting with the network, as there must have been some contract.

Andrew Pyrah is the CEO of Trillion Ltd.

Despite me having little/any reason to continue to talk up PT, I am sure players funds are safe and have every confidence in the network, which itself has seen excellent growth recently, as well as a host of improvements to the poker clients.  Once I have had my meeting with the network next week I will report back.

Col

[MANTIS01]

Talking up PT would be a difficult job I imagine cos poker players have this thing about +EV decisions. Grimming creditors is a -EV decision. Grimming employees is a -EV decision. Allowing this to go public and it costing PT much more than the 7k owed to Blonde is a -EV decision. PT letting the marketing & operations manager stagger on in a blind haze about marketing & operational issues e.g. non-payment of debts, is a -EV decision. So difficult to suggest financial dealings with PT is a +EV decision nomatter who you are. Should we think PT management is +1 and would have ring-fenced players funds in a water-tight manner. That would be +EV thinking...and there's no evidence of that here. Saying some monies are safe when other monies eg debts and wages are not is unconvincing. Paying the 7k would be convincing.

[Royal Flush]

25/01/2009  08:33:20  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  hello, im here now

25/01/2009  08:33:30  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  why r u having a 5000$ freerol

25/01/2009  08:33:36  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  when ur company owes 10,000$ out

25/01/2009  08:35:44  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  I am hoping to find out exactly what is happening next week, however the freeroll is being paid for by the network, not PT, and it was won by the players. Whilst we overcome our current financial problems, we will work with the network to ensure that none of our players lsoe out in any way - if the freeroll was cancelled, then the players who won it would have lost out, and that would have been wr

25/01/2009  08:35:46  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  wrong

25/01/2009  08:36:28  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  poker trillion = busto?

25/01/2009  08:36:51  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  can i ask who you are, are you a creditor of PT?

25/01/2009  08:37:05  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  I play on PT

25/01/2009  08:37:16  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  and im a member of blond forum

25/01/2009  08:37:21  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  blonde*

Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
thanks, am here if you have any more questions, but above all, players funds / points and offers are 100% safe.....

[  ] Editing this MSN didn't make you look like a tool
[  ] It is helpful when random people start string the pot
[X] This Collin guy is the only point of contact anyone seems to have with Trillion, it might not be a good idea to start harassing him.

[Laxie]

Are they having me on?!  Well, finally heard back from them regarding my withdrawal request to my Neteller account.  They'll make the transfer once I send them a copy of photo ID...ok, no problem.  But they also want a copy of the front and back of my credit card!!!  Ummmm, I don't think so.  Don't expect to see that money now.  GG Trillion.   

[Poker Trillion]

Laxie,

Could you forward that email to colin@pokertrillion.com please. There is no way support should need card details for a NETeller transaction.

When card details are required, we do suggest that all apart from the last 4 numbers are hidden.

Hope you can give me the opportunity to resolve this for you.

Col

[Laxie]

They said the first 4 and last 4 numbers had to been seen and never mentioned hiding the special security numbers on the back.  That's far more information than I'm willing to part with.  Sending it on to you now.  Cheers Colin.

[Poker Trillion]

Thanks,

Leave it with me. I will get back to you on Monday once I have reslolved.

Col

[gatso]

25/01/2009  08:33:20  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  hello, im here now

25/01/2009  08:33:30  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  why r u having a 5000$ freerol

25/01/2009  08:33:36  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  when ur company owes 10,000$ out

25/01/2009  08:35:44  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  I am hoping to find out exactly what is happening next week, however the freeroll is being paid for by the network, not PT, and it was won by the players. Whilst we overcome our current financial problems, we will work with the network to ensure that none of our players lsoe out in any way - if the freeroll was cancelled, then the players who won it would have lost out, and that would have been wr

25/01/2009  08:35:46  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  wrong

25/01/2009  08:36:28  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  poker trillion = busto?

25/01/2009  08:36:51  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  can i ask who you are, are you a creditor of PT?

25/01/2009  08:37:05  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  I play on PT

25/01/2009  08:37:16  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  and im a member of blond forum

25/01/2009  08:37:21  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  blonde*

Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
thanks, am here if you have any more questions, but above all, players funds / points and offers are 100% safe.....

lol, this is genius.

just a small pointer, the next time you edit a convo make all the lines look the same, at least give people a chance to believe it. deleting the time stamp off the last line when you cut out the middle of the conversation is just a schoolboy error

[boldie]

25/01/2009  08:33:20  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  hello, im here now

25/01/2009  08:33:30  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  why r u having a 5000$ freerol

25/01/2009  08:33:36  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  when ur company owes 10,000$ out

25/01/2009  08:35:44  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  I am hoping to find out exactly what is happening next week, however the freeroll is being paid for by the network, not PT, and it was won by the players. Whilst we overcome our current financial problems, we will work with the network to ensure that none of our players lsoe out in any way - if the freeroll was cancelled, then the players who won it would have lost out, and that would have been wr

25/01/2009  08:35:46  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  wrong

25/01/2009  08:36:28  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  poker trillion = busto?

25/01/2009  08:36:51  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  can i ask who you are, are you a creditor of PT?

25/01/2009  08:37:05  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  I play on PT

25/01/2009  08:37:16  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  and im a member of blond forum

25/01/2009  08:37:21  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  blonde*

Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
thanks, am here if you have any more questions, but above all, players funds / points and offers are 100% safe.....

lol, this is genius.

just a small pointer, the next time you edit a convo make all the lines look the same, at least give people a chance to believe it. deleting the time stamp off the last line when you cut out the middle of the conversation is just a schoolboy error

..See Flushy spotted the editted MSN convo as well... also see he's cleared up his own typo (blinds)..and replaced it with another typo (blond).

Class.

[ ] Faked MSN convos are impressive.
[ ] I noticed it was eddited.

[kinboshi]

25/01/2009  08:33:20  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  hello, im here now

25/01/2009  08:33:30  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  why r u having a 5000$ freerol

25/01/2009  08:33:36  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  when ur company owes 10,000$ out

25/01/2009  08:35:44  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  I am hoping to find out exactly what is happening next week, however the freeroll is being paid for by the network, not PT, and it was won by the players. Whilst we overcome our current financial problems, we will work with the network to ensure that none of our players lsoe out in any way - if the freeroll was cancelled, then the players who won it would have lost out, and that would have been wr

25/01/2009  08:35:46  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  wrong

25/01/2009  08:36:28  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  poker trillion = busto?

25/01/2009  08:36:51  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  can i ask who you are, are you a creditor of PT?

25/01/2009  08:37:05  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  I play on PT

25/01/2009  08:37:16  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  and im a member of blond forum

25/01/2009  08:37:21  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  blonde*

Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
thanks, am here if you have any more questions, but above all, players funds / points and offers are 100% safe.....

lol, this is genius.

just a small pointer, the next time you edit a convo make all the lines look the same, at least give people a chance to believe it. deleting the time stamp off the last line when you cut out the middle of the conversation is just a schoolboy error

..See Flushy spotted the editted MSN convo as well... also see he's cleared up his own typo (blinds)..and replaced it with another typo (blond).

Class.

[ ] Faked MSN convos are impressive.
[ ] I noticed it was eddited.

[ ] boldie can spell

[Robert HM]

25/01/2009  08:33:20  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  hello, im here now

25/01/2009  08:33:30  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  why r u having a 5000$ freerol

25/01/2009  08:33:36  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  when ur company owes 10,000$ out

25/01/2009  08:35:44  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  I am hoping to find out exactly what is happening next week, however the freeroll is being paid for by the network, not PT, and it was won by the players. Whilst we overcome our current financial problems, we will work with the network to ensure that none of our players lsoe out in any way - if the freeroll was cancelled, then the players who won it would have lost out, and that would have been wr

25/01/2009  08:35:46  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  wrong

25/01/2009  08:36:28  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  poker trillion = busto?

25/01/2009  08:36:51  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  can i ask who you are, are you a creditor of PT?

25/01/2009  08:37:05  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  I play on PT

25/01/2009  08:37:16  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  and im a member of blond forum

25/01/2009  08:37:21  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  blonde*

Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
thanks, am here if you have any more questions, but above all, players funds / points and offers are 100% safe.....

lol, this is genius.

just a small pointer, the next time you edit a convo make all the lines look the same, at least give people a chance to believe it. deleting the time stamp off the last line when you cut out the middle of the conversation is just a schoolboy error

..See Flushy spotted the editted MSN convo as well... also see he's cleared up his own typo (blinds)..and replaced it with another typo (blond).

Class.

[ ] Faked MSN convos are impressive.
[ ] I noticed it was eddited.

[ ] boldie can spell

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