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Snatiramas
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Re: Disgrace
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Been a few times, seems strange it struggles with funding seeing as the world has so many rich jews.
It has many more rich people from other faiths sir
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No shit sherlock and its not a slant on Jewish people but they seem to make such an issue over the holocaust you would think taking 0.00001% from the Israel militery budget would make sense to preserve an important historical area.
Sorry but your remark was a slant on Jewish people. I as a Jew living in Britain have no influence on the Israeli military budget.....I just didn't like your comment...simple as
Just don't see a problem with saying a member of a certain community/faith etc should fez up and pay for something that's of a particular interest or of cultural significance to them. You might interpret that as a slant I didn't nor did my Jewish wife who agreed with it.
Well my Jewish wife does......and you know what they say..." if you put two Jews in a room you are likely to get three opinions"
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Re: Disgrace
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January 27, 2009, 02:40:05 PM »
It shouldn't be down to the victims, but in the real world all our cultural and historical sites are not funded enough and its a real shame. My personal belief is like yours the governments should fund it, but is this going to happen?
lol snat...made me chuckle..
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Re: Disgrace
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January 27, 2009, 02:41:38 PM »
Quote from: Colchester Kev on January 27, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
WRONG WRONG WRONG on so many levels, why should it be the victims that shoulder the financial responsibilities ?
Should they pay more than the Germans ?
Every country across Europe, AND the USA should be contributing imo, Europes heritage and history should not just be medieval castles and roman ruins etc etc , the horrors of our history should be preserved to serve as a reminder of darker days.
This.
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January 27, 2009, 02:49:44 PM »
Quote from: Colchester Kev on January 27, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
WRONG WRONG WRONG on so many levels, why should it be the victims that shoulder the financial responsibilities ?
Should they pay more than the Germans ?
Every country across Europe, AND the USA should be contributing imo, Europes heritage and history should not just be medieval castles and roman ruins etc etc , the horrors of our history should be preserved to serve as a reminder of darker days.
so true
I used to drive once or twice a week past the site of bełżec extermination camp where 1/2 million jews were killed
I used to live in zolochiv, a ukrainian town that until WWII was polish. buried in the town are tens of thousands of victims of first stalin's purge of the inteligensia and then later hitler's purge of everyone else
virtually no-one has ever heard of these places despite the attrocities happening in living memory and there are many, many more like them
it would be an absolute tragedy to let the one place that everyone has heard of disappear
everyone should visit aushwitz imo. until you do it's almost impossible to quantify the sheer numbers you read about in history books or to contemplate the sheer evil involved
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January 27, 2009, 02:52:38 PM »
acid, you're gonna have to get the vatican in on this as well I'm afraid. most of the people killed in auschwitz I were polish catholics so they can pay for that bit and israel can pay for birkenau
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January 27, 2009, 02:55:27 PM »
Quote from: gatso on January 27, 2009, 02:52:38 PM
acid, you're gonna have to get the vatican in on this as well I'm afraid. most of the people killed in auschwitz I were polish catholics so they can pay for that bit and israel can pay for birkenau
I hear the pope has a few bob spare! let the bugger pay for it then
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January 27, 2009, 02:56:33 PM »
Governments should spend on preventing future genocide rather than preserving old concentration camps imo
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January 27, 2009, 02:58:09 PM »
sorry to be thick here but why in a worldwide depression where trillions of dollars have disappeared over the last year and previously wealthy countries are close to being bankrupt, millions of starving/homeless people etc etc should governments pay for this and not the millions of visitors who are presumably happy to pay for travel hotels etc why not put up a £5 entry fee? OAPs and children FOC LDO
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January 27, 2009, 02:58:18 PM »
I know what happened was totally wrong but I do think the sheer numbers of other nationalities who died during the war almost gets forgotten about sometimes, because the persecution of the Jews always makes the front page of these discussions. Something to think about really........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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January 27, 2009, 02:59:32 PM »
What I find more shocking than the government not coughing up (no big shock there really), is that it's only just been deemed newsworthy now. If all of us who care (regardless of what denomination we do or don't belong to) were to donate a one-off small amount, it would make a massive difference. Does anyone know if there is there a fund set up?
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Quote from: MrsBoldie on January 27, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
What I find more shocking than the government not coughing up (no big shock there really), is that it's only just been deemed newsworthy now. If all of us who care (regardless of what denomination we do or don't belong to) were to donate a one-off small amount, it would make a massive difference. Does anyone know if there is there a fund set up?
http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=523
There is only one thing worse than Auschwitz itself...
…and that is if the world forgets there was such a place.
Henry Appel, Auschwitz survivor
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January 27, 2009, 03:30:19 PM »
This isn't an opinion, just a question, but why do we want to maintain a place where millions of people were slaughtered?
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January 27, 2009, 03:33:37 PM »
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 27, 2009, 03:30:19 PM
This isn't an opinion, just a question, but why do we want to maintain a place where millions of people were slaughtered?
So future generations don't forget that they were slaughtered, and that humans are capable of such acts.
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January 27, 2009, 03:34:27 PM »
Quote from: Colchester Kev on January 27, 2009, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: MrsBoldie on January 27, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
What I find more shocking than the government not coughing up (no big shock there really), is that it's only just been deemed newsworthy now. If all of us who care (regardless of what denomination we do or don't belong to) were to donate a one-off small amount, it would make a massive difference. Does anyone know if there is there a fund set up?
http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=523
There is only one thing worse than Auschwitz itself...
…and that is if the world forgets there was such a place.
Henry Appel, Auschwitz survivor
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January 27, 2009, 03:36:30 PM »
Quote from: AndrewT on January 27, 2009, 03:33:37 PM
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 27, 2009, 03:30:19 PM
This isn't an opinion, just a question, but why do we want to maintain a place where millions of people were slaughtered?
So future generations don't forget that they were slaughtered, and that humans are capable of such acts.
From the world heritage citation.
The site is a key place of memory for the whole of humankind for the holocaust, racist policies and barbarism; it is a place of our collective memory of this dark chapter in the history of humanity, of transmission to younger generations and a sign of warning of the many threats and tragic consequences of extreme ideologies and denial of human dignity.
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