"Dusk till Dawn" Poker Club In Nottingham Diary (by Rob Yong)

[ripple11]

 Tikay ,you are right,it is the law here thats the big problem, and of course the big corporates will try to protect their businesses, however that shouldn't have stopped the Casinos having some construtive dialog with DTD.

I think a" negotiated settlement*" could have happen and should have happen pre the hearing.......but the big boys made their intentions clear ..."they were busy to March 2008 and would prefer the hearing adjorned till then" !!!!

Now it seem an all out battle in September....when common sense and justice will hopefully prevail.

* ie : we wont hold big tourney events at the same time.....well now I wouldn't blame DTD  if they do clash, and lets see whos mistake it was not to negotiate.......

[robyong]

This thread has had an absolute sik amount of hits in comparison to any other thread on the UK web, as well as BP  people, so many other people read it. I believe this is because its very honest, even the UK Gambling Commission read it and still gave me the Certificate of Consent, and in the end, I have found the Gambling Commission to be totally fair and supportive.

TK mentions "Balance", fine, but after being being personally banned, personally reported for illegal online gaming, personally attacked with various rumours and "ganged up against" at the Magistrate Courts, "Balance" is not on my agenda.  I am particulary not happy with Gala, for their brief to keep a straight face (he was actually blatently smirking) and say "we are busy till Match 2008, we would like the hearing then" is very bad IMO.

PS. I have tried and tried to be the casinos friends, but they told me to "get lost".

Cheers Rob

  

[AndrewT]

This may have been already mentioned. But could you open the club and charge an entrance fee at the door. So your not making any cash from poker (would you be breaking the law then).

Say you have a £100f/o it costs £15 to enter the premises, or any tourney less then this costs £10 to enter the premises

But then DTD would be just like every other cardroom that is operating at the moment without a licence. The whole reason Rob has gone down the route he has is because he wanted to do everything 'by the book' - he didn't want to find little grey areas in the law and try and operate in there.

The way the casino groups are operating as a cartel is nothing short of scandalous. I've always believed that the overriding thing which steers legal decisions should be common sense. With common sense dictating things, many legal problems evaporate away. There is no common sense in the latest course of legal actions. For magistrates to not realise what the game plan of the casinos is shows such a lack of awareness that it is shocking - any ounce of common sense would have the casinos' objections laughed out of court immediately.

[kinboshi]

This may have been already mentioned. But could you open the club and charge an entrance fee at the door. So your not making any cash from poker (would you be breaking the law then).

Say you have a £100f/o it costs £15 to enter the premises, or any tourney less then this costs £10 to enter the premises

But then DTD would be just like every other cardroom that is operating at the moment without a licence. The whole reason Rob has gone down the route he has is because he wanted to do everything 'by the book' - he didn't want to find little grey areas in the law and try and operate in there.

The way the casino groups are operating as a cartel is nothing short of scandalous. I've always believed that the overriding thing which steers legal decisions should be common sense. With common sense dictating things, many legal problems evaporate away. There is no common sense in the latest course of legal actions. For magistrates to not realise what the game plan of the casinos is shows such a lack of awareness that it is shocking - any ounce of common sense would have the casinos' objections laughed out of court immediately.

Unless something was overriding their common sense?

[dik9]

And after reading the Annual Reports for the casinos involved it should be emphasised that blonde cannot muster enough support to make a boycott of these casinos count.

I know i have said this before, but, this is not just a Blonde issue. Every Poker player in the country and even outside of the country have an interest in DtD, in this country alone there are minimum 15 poker forums with roughly 90,000 members between them, take away inactive spammers and non uk citizens will probably leave off the top of my head 20,000 active Poker Players, all disgraced over the way someone has tried to do this legally, invested heavily and then got shafted, even after the Gutshot tried the other route and got shafted. The new charges and direction of cardrooms in September are a pisstake, and the "little man" has no other option, if they enjoy playing live. There are approximately 80 legal cardrooms in the UK servicing the 20,000+ poker players that use forums alone, and probably triple that for the non forum players. About 50% of these comps are self deal, yet all now charge for the privilage of playing in their venue.

The reason cardrooms exist in casino's is to encourage people through the door to gamble, as the Gaming Commission do read this, then this is addressed to them - You are actively supporting the encouragement to gamble and as such make a mockery of GamCare. Poker is many peoples pastime, and social community, at the moment it is forced to be in a casino, where "temptation" is too great for a good few to avoid the magic roundabout etc.

As for protests, I personally would take another route, not to rip up membership cards, as that would just be individual actions. Have a sit in, in your local cardroom at about 5.30am  

[sledge13]

Money talks...fairness walks.

Tis all wrong!

[AndrewT]

The reason cardrooms exist in casino's is to encourage people through the door to gamble, as the Gaming Commission do read this, then this is addressed to them - You are actively supporting the encouragement to gamble and as such make a mockery of GamCare. Poker is many peoples pastime, and social community, at the moment it is forced to be in a casino, where "temptation" is too great for a good few to avoid the magic roundabout etc.

This is a brilliant point.

By enabling people to play poker in an environment without the lure or, indeed direct encouragement to gamble on house games, Rob is actually providing a public service. The Government should be giving him a grant from the Responsibility in Gaming Trust for helping people to play poker without the wheels of death nearby, not bending regulation in favour of the casino chains.

[Zebediah]

Definitely, this would be a brilliant angle to try with the powers that be, as they have to be seen to be taking this into account...not that they actually give a flying **** of course.

[Jon MW]

If people haven't already, they can contact the Office of Fair Trading - enquiries@oft.gov.uk

Now you can use the case number: CE/8610/07

and mark it for the attention of the case officer: Mr D Eade

Something along the lines of that you are aware of the details of this case and would like to add support to the opinion that the casino chains may have acted in an anti-competitive manner may indicate to them the seriousness of the situation.

[Maddog]

They must be collating all the emails on this one because I was sent an email with the same case number, and case officer.

[booder]

If people haven't already, they can contact the Office of Fair Trading - enquiries@oft.gov.uk

Now you can use the case number: CE/8610/07

and mark it for the attention of the case officer: Mr D Eade

Something along the lines of that you are aware of the details of this case and would like to add support to the opinion that the casino chains may have acted in an anti-competitive manner may indicate to them the seriousness of the situation.

done   

[Jon MW]

They must be collating all the emails on this one because I was sent an email with the same case number, and case officer.

Makes sense - and saves them a bit of effort if any emails sent from now have those details already included.

[M3boy]

I have the same letter

[Bongo]

The reason cardrooms exist in casino's is to encourage people through the door to gamble, as the Gaming Commission do read this, then this is addressed to them - You are actively supporting the encouragement to gamble and as such make a mockery of GamCare. Poker is many peoples pastime, and social community, at the moment it is forced to be in a casino, where "temptation" is too great for a good few to avoid the magic roundabout etc.

This is a brilliant point.

By enabling people to play poker in an environment without the lure or, indeed direct encouragement to gamble on house games, Rob is actually providing a public service. The Government should be giving him a grant from the Responsibility in Gaming Trust for helping people to play poker without the wheels of death nearby, not bending regulation in favour of the casino chains.

I thought the gambling commission granted DTD a license though? Or do they have some control over the local magistrates?

[boldie]

The reason cardrooms exist in casino's is to encourage people through the door to gamble, as the Gaming Commission do read this, then this is addressed to them - You are actively supporting the encouragement to gamble and as such make a mockery of GamCare. Poker is many peoples pastime, and social community, at the moment it is forced to be in a casino, where "temptation" is too great for a good few to avoid the magic roundabout etc.

This is a brilliant point.

By enabling people to play poker in an environment without the lure or, indeed direct encouragement to gamble on house games, Rob is actually providing a public service. The Government should be giving him a grant from the Responsibility in Gaming Trust for helping people to play poker without the wheels of death nearby, not bending regulation in favour of the casino chains.

I thought the gambling commission granted DTD a license though? Or do they have some control over the local magistrates?

no they don't as far as I know. The Gaming Commision have done their bit as far as I know. they have given DTD the go ahead..the only thing standing in the way are the (frivolous) objections from the local "competition"