"Dusk till Dawn" Poker Club In Nottingham Diary (by Rob Yong)

[robyong]

As you have used my quote here id just like to say that In no way was i suggesting anything untoword happened here Rob, And apologise if it sounded that way.

After 1st reading about Dave leaving blonde to gain a sponsor the first thing that came to my mind was how much sense it made for him to join team DTD to go along with the other top pro's you have with you

Jim.

thats fine Jim, i am absolutely fine with your post.

I just wanted to make things totally clear on this issue, mate. There will unfortnatley be some people that will be sceptical about this, so i want to get the truth out.

[Jim-D]

Cool,

I dont think your integrity will ever be questioned on blonde mate, You have been nothing but honest all thru out this thread.

[MrMoves]

DTD seems like the UK's answer to Full Tilt.

What a great team of pro's!

[boldie]

DTD seems like the UK's answer to Full Tilt.

What a great team of pro's!

agreed...I love reading this thread, Rob is one of the most honest and open people I can think of. I have been in business for many a year now (for my age...I am only 32 afterall) at a fairly senior level and I've been involved in many start ups (some were even successfull and I am very impressed at how open he is about how he's going about setting up DTD. (I am used to everything being shrouded in mystery and bullshit )

This thread just makes me more and more desperate for DTD to open up because I will definetly be planning a trip there....(pro in about 1 month for me and pissing away my entire bankroll

[Jim-D]

You'll be sitting next to DC on the High Roller table before you know it mate,  Just play Flushy heads up for a month 

[Royal Flush]

too true!

[Jim-D]

too true!

 

[robyong]

Thanks guys, everyone who has read this thread from the beginning must know me by well enough by now, even if they have never met or spoke to me face to face. In fact, we all know that breakeven is the target for DTD and that is tough task in itself.

This diary has also been quite theroputic for me when times have got difficult eg. the delays with the gaming licence etc. This is the most read thread on BP by a mile, 27,000+ hits, when i post I get 300+ readers per post, and I was happy to keep on doing it on BP until the club opened rather than move my diary to the DTD web site that launches in in November.

A number of well known sites have asked me to put the diary on their site, to attract traffic of course, but I have always flatly refused. I hope to always contribute content to this site, and also hope that DTD will become the next home of the Blondebash (so I can come to it!).

However, as DTD comes closer to launch (online Dec, club April) there are some issues that will be unavoidable and may cause problems with DTD and BP. These are:

1. DTD needs a "forum solution" for its members dedicated to DTD (should DTD have their own forum like Gutshot?)
2. DTD will want live updates for DTD players for comps in DTD's club and tournamants on the DTD Tour such as all EPT's (this will be a duplication with BP)
3. DTD online card room will offer players a better deal that BP's online card room as DTD has a higher rake % deal than BP (will DTD inadvertantly poach players from BP?)
4. DTD's live club will be used by Blondepoker people, the live club and online room are linked by the online Player Reward Scheme (so will BP players inadvertantly move over to DTD?).

It is my honest view that DTD will hurt both live and online businesses in the UK, not just BP, I never set this up to achieve this. I wanted to work with Gala & Grovesner Casinos for the best of the poker players but they have given me the 2 fingers after Yogi Bear and Nightfly chose to join DTD. Now the joint founder of BP has taken up a role at DTD, I'm sure a few people will raise their eyebrows at that, and suspect is was pre-meditated. I don't actually blame them as they don't know all of the facts.

The point is, when someone injects this sort money into a new business they are going to have an impact on the industry, however large or small depends on their ability. DTD has done nothing yet accept putting a large team together and pump money in, we have not even dealt one card, live or online. Will we be able to retain our previous good relationships with the various poker businesses............I am not sure, because we will take some money out of their pockets, they can't take any out of ours, because our revenue is £0. I hope sincerly that our relationship with BP can continue, I don't really care about the casinos and other businesses to be honest, when have they ever looked after us?

These BP and DTD issues are for me and TK to discuss, sooner rather than later, as clearly there is a significant overlap between BP and potential DTD members. As I offered to do before, when BP's card room opened, I can severe all ties with BP before DTD's online and live operations are open, this way I can never be accused of adversley affecting the BP card room revenue or membership (or poaching).

I've spent many hours posting on this site, so what to be totally open with all the people that have been so kind as to read my ramblings and keep me company on the bad days. TK has made is public that BP's revenues from its card room and advertising are key to keeping the site and forum running, the last think I want to do it reduce this by £1.

Cheers Rob

[cambo]

Rob any idea when your horse will be running next?

[Jim-D]

Alot of people on here play both BPL and Crypto (plus other sites)  So id guess that all that would happen is that the crypto players would just move from there current preffered skin across to DTD, So i doubt alot of people would be 'Poached' from BPL

And if any are like me, just get bored easily and chop and change sites quite regular,  But if crypto ever change there silly STT structure you'll see alot more of me    I currently use WillHills for the low level PLO cash.

[ericstoner]

Rob, The question of the relationship between Blonde poker and Dawn Till Dusk had to raise its head  sometime.

Because of the size discrepancy between the two entities in terms of captital injected at source, and the  disparity between the two in terms of actual goodwill against perceived or potential goodwill....... there is only one outcome I can see on the horizon.

This has of course been cemented by the move of DC 'across town'so to speak.

So the  eventuality of a merger or dare I  say it T@k@ov@r, hones sharply into view.

I think this arrangement would suit both parties,in many ways,and I hope after the certain rejections and denials that are bound to appear, both parties, will see the mutual benefit to be had, and work to conclude an arrangement beneficial to all involved.

So lets have a fair contest, and no blood on the carpets please.

[tikay]

I just Posted a lengthy "where we both are" Post, but I lost it when my Broadband fell over, damnit. I'll do it again later.

blonde & DtD remain 100% cool. I meet Rob next Tuesday at 9am to firm up some stuff, & I'll give you a full Update later this evening.

In the meantime, my sincere congratulations to Dave, & to Rob. Everyone at blonde will wish them well.

[robyong]

Rob any idea when your horse will be running next?

My horse, hi humprey has a back injury that occurred in its last race when it was leading with 2 fences left, non sure when it will run again............

Yes - I am playing in Dublin and get there on the 25th, looking forward to playing as i've hardly played this year. I'll also be playing Amsterdamn Masterclassics and the Caribean Poker Classic in St Kitts.

Eric - what you talk about is something I have obviously thought about. However, Blondepoker has a unique identity, and the forum and live updates are really TK's baby and I think absorbing it into DTD would dilute or ruin that. Blondepoker is without doubt the leading poker forum in the Europe and does the best live updates available on the web, that its 2 big strengths, and in my personal view, what BP should focus on, but thats not my business. DTD wants to be the number 1 live and online environment in Europe, thats what we should focus on, but we haven't proved anything yet. If we can work together then great, but there will be no mergers or takeovers...by either party

[Tractor]

This thread is so absorbing, like everyone else on here I cant wait for DTD to open and take a trip to Nottingham(only ever been on stag-doos there).
re - The online room, as said before im sure most on here will just switch to dtd from there other crypto skin so I dont think it will make a huge diffference.
Im sure i read earlier on in the thread that we will be able to buy into "live" tournies at DTD from the online bankroll, will the online bankroll be available to draw from when we are at the club?
Will this be possible Rob?

[tikay]

Thanks guys, everyone who has read this thread from the beginning must know me by well enough by now, even if they have never met or spoke to me face to face. In fact, we all know that breakeven is the target for DTD and that is tough task in itself.

This diary has also been quite theroputic for me when times have got difficult eg. the delays with the gaming licence etc. This is the most read thread on BP by a mile, 27,000+ hits, when i post I get 300+ readers per post, and I was happy to keep on doing it on BP until the club opened rather than move my diary to the DTD web site that launches in in November.

A number of well known sites have asked me to put the diary on their site, to attract traffic of course, but I have always flatly refused. I hope to always contribute content to this site, and also hope that DTD will become the next home of the Blondebash (so I can come to it!).

However, as DTD comes closer to launch (online Dec, club April) there are some issues that will be unavoidable and may cause problems with DTD and BP. These are:

1. DTD needs a "forum solution" for its members dedicated to DTD (should DTD have their own forum like Gutshot?)
2. DTD will want live updates for DTD players for comps in DTD's club and tournamants on the DTD Tour such as all EPT's (this will be a duplication with BP)
3. DTD online card room will offer players a better deal that BP's online card room as DTD has a higher rake % deal than BP (will DTD inadvertantly poach players from BP?)
4. DTD's live club will be used by Blondepoker people, the live club and online room are linked by the online Player Reward Scheme (so will BP players inadvertantly move over to DTD?).

It is my honest view that DTD will hurt both live and online businesses in the UK, not just BP, I never set this up to achieve this. I wanted to work with Gala & Grovesner Casinos for the best of the poker players but they have given me the 2 fingers after Yogi Bear and Nightfly chose to join DTD. Now the joint founder of BP has taken up a role at DTD, I'm sure a few people will raise their eyebrows at that, and suspect is was pre-meditated. I don't actually blame them as they don't know all of the facts.

The point is, when someone injects this sort money into a new business they are going to have an impact on the industry, however large or small depends on their ability. DTD has done nothing yet accept putting a large team together and pump money in, we have not even dealt one card, live or online. Will we be able to retain our previous good relationships with the various poker businesses............I am not sure, because we will take some money out of their pockets, they can't take any out of ours, because our revenue is £0. I hope sincerly that our relationship with BP can continue, I don't really care about the casinos and other businesses to be honest, when have they ever looked after us?

These BP and DTD issues are for me and TK to discuss, sooner rather than later, as clearly there is a significant overlap between BP and potential DTD members. As I offered to do before, when BP's card room opened, I can severe all ties with BP before DTD's online and live operations are open, this way I can never be accused of adversley affecting the BP card room revenue or membership (or poaching).

I've spent many hours posting on this site, so what to be totally open with all the people that have been so kind as to read my ramblings and keep me company on the bad days. TK has made is public that BP's revenues from its card room and advertising are key to keeping the site and forum running, the last think I want to do it reduce this by £1.

Cheers Rob

First off, a big well done to Rob at DtD, & el blondie, for getting it together. Monty Burns deseves a decent deal, & DtD have found a top-notch player.

You'll be pleased to learn, I'm sure, that Dave has retained his Shares in blonde, so who knows what the future may bring?

How does all this affect blonde? Not much at all, really, as I see it. We were never in competition with DtD, we do our thing & they do theirs, & we can help each other along the way.

Rob & I struck a deal in principle some months back. We agreed, subject to details being sorted, to create a DtD Child Board on blonde, maybe even a Main Board, & we will do Badged Updates to follow their DtD Players. That takes care of Rob's "potential problem" items 1 & 2. We meet on Tuesday at 9am to try & finalise this, & I'm sure we'll cut some sort of deal.

Items 3 & 4? Not much either of us can do about that. DtD has a much better deal than blonde, so there is no way we can compete on level terms. But so what? We do our thing, they do theirs, & there is room for both. We will agree - we WILL - not to "target" each other's punters. It happened once already, but that was a mistake, & it won't happen again.

BOTH parties have to do their thing. DtD has massively high overheads & running costs, so they'll be going for it big time. blonde, well, our Overheads are extremely low, but we still need income to run the Live Updates & invest in the Site. You want a better site, thats how we finance it - by income. Ditto DtD.

So, I think it's good, & there is room for both of us.

It's gonna be quite weird to see Dave writing for another site - this is like a sort of Soap Opera.

But watch this space, we have a new name or two coming on board blonde. Stand still? Not us!