Ethical poker situation - opinions needed!

[action man]

if you feel at all bad - get a deck of cards - pull out 2 cards - if you miss - ship him 1/2 the pot?

You did nothing wrong - dealer should be taken outside and given a kicking for dealing whilst awaiting a ruling. I always find it brings it home to these idiots when you remind them that the
pot size is a weeks salary!

steady on fella. I agree he shouldnt have dealt out of the blue, but if u mock the dealers for what they earn compared to the pot, then its you who needs a kicking.

[ariston]

You dont have to give him anything back but I would personally give him the chance. As he had 63% equity in the pot the second time it shouldve been run (sorry grosvenor but its our cash we are playing for and if we want to run it twice/insurance or whatever then it should be none of your business- the dealer is beingpaid for to run our game) I would see if he would agree to a coin flip or a colour shout on the next flop to at least give him a shot. If you agreed to run it twice I would at least give him this offer. You chose red he choses black and if the flop has 2 or more red cards you keep the pot, if there are 2 or more black cards you give him his half the pot. This would allow you to live with yourself over the thought you had somebody over for a relatively small ammount of cash.

I am sure anyone playing dealers choice has had this situatin arise. On the river you have the nuts in omaha high and bet the pot. A player calls and announcs chop showing the nut low (nut low only no high of any kind). When he is politely told the game is high only and he has clearly made a mistake how many players give him his last be back? If its  regular game and the guy is a regular would you rather make him pay for his mistake by keeping the last bet and have bad feeling at the table or give him his last bet back and seem to be the good guy? I have always given the player his last bet back if it was clear he made a mistake.

[kinboshi]

if you feel at all bad - get a deck of cards - pull out 2 cards - if you miss - ship him 1/2 the pot?

You did nothing wrong - dealer should be taken outside and given a kicking for dealing whilst awaiting a ruling. I always find it brings it home to these idiots when you remind them that the
pot size is a weeks salary!

That's a pleasant attitude to take.  Maybe they were given the nod by the floor manager and the player didn't see or hear this?  Haven't you ever made a mistake in your job?  If you make a mistake that doesn't make you and idiot, and neither is it particularly big or clever to attempt to put someone down based on the size of their salary.

[mondatoo]

if you feel at all bad - get a deck of cards - pull out 2 cards - if you miss - ship him 1/2 the pot?

You did nothing wrong - dealer should be taken outside and given a kicking for dealing whilst awaiting a ruling. I always find it brings it home to these idiots when you remind them that the
pot size is a weeks salary!

Since the dealers on HSP normally look clueless at what's going on when they choose to run it twice and I'm guessing they'll be some of the best dealers in the world then I think it wouldn't be that big a mistake tbh.Taking that into relation to your post, get a fkn grip eh,sorry I don't have the eloquence of trigg or kin and just find your post a bit pathetic

[Numpty Dumpty]

if you feel at all bad - get a deck of cards - pull out 2 cards - if you miss - ship him 1/2 the pot?

You did nothing wrong - dealer should be taken outside and given a kicking for dealing whilst awaiting a ruling. I always find it brings it home to these idiots when you remind them that the
pot size is a weeks salary!

surely if a mistake of this nature has been made it is also more likely to be down to a lack of training in what to do in this situation rather than it just being a simple poor decision by the dealer?

plus, any kind of dealer-abuse is surely likely to only make a dealer either more nervous (and therefore more likely to make subsequent mistakes) - abusing the dealer is surely not only unconstructive but offensive and will likely actually have the opposite effect of the one you desire.

[easypickings]

In a way, it's simple. Of course, if the guy keeps all the money, he has techinally does nothing wrong. The decision of the house (however bizarre) stands.

It's probably unfair to criticise anyone who did keep the whole lot, but it's a situation where you would hope most regular players would try to do the fair thing. Knowing what the fair thing is a difficult question, but in a way it doesn't matter. Offering the guy 1/2 of the second half of money would be about right.

Because an offer like running it twice is an off-the-cuff gentlemens' agreement, I think it's a situation where the two guys should then be prepared to be flexible if need be.

The dealer of course didn't help things, as he shoudln't have just got impatient and made his decision unannounced. I think what the dealers have to realise is that it doesn't matter if they don't know everything. All they need to do is to not panic, and conifdently ask for a fair ruling. This would definitely be alot more possible if all the players were prepared to be patient with them!

[MC]

In this situation it's not your fault. Really it's the casino's fault for not understanding what running it twice is, which is fairly shocking imo!
 
Under their rules you win the pot, therefore I think you're entitled to all of it. Just as your opponent would have been if he won the hand...

[cia260895]

Like what most of the others have said you have done nothing wrong and have to accept the floors decision.

Your choice is what to do off the table.

What would you have done in the reverse situation if he hit his boat and they only ran it once?

[Numpty Dumpty]

Like what most of the others have said you have done nothing wrong and have to accept the floors decision.

Your choice is what to do off the table.

What would you have done in the reverse situation if he hit his boat and they only ran it once?

sorry, to clarify, this was not me, i just thought it was an interesting topic.

completely agreee, my friend has done nothing technically wrong by not splitting the pot, but all the same felt a little guilty and unsure what to do. he posted a later message saying as he knew the other guy involved in the hand fairly well he would offer him the fair amount of equity (1/4 pot) when he sees him next.

[Royal Flush]

lol @ chopping pots

[boldie]

lol @ chopping pots

this.

and even more lol at running it twice just because you've seen it on HSP...really..cut that shit out, please.

[Jamier-Host]

lol @ chopping pots

Paris cash game?  Still can't believe he offered it you though.... 

[outragous76]

if you feel at all bad - get a deck of cards - pull out 2 cards - if you miss - ship him 1/2 the pot?

You did nothing wrong - dealer should be taken outside and given a kicking for dealing whilst awaiting a ruling. I always find it brings it home to these idiots when you remind them that the
pot size is a weeks salary!

steady on fella. I agree he shouldnt have dealt out of the blue, but if u mock the dealers for what they earn compared to the pot, then its you who needs a kicking.

I am not mocking anybody!

I was merely going off what was posted. I have seen dealers do some stupid things in much bigger pots. The problem is they are frustrated that thay feel something they have done is being questioned. Continuing to deal just for the sake of it does nothing but piss people off.

The point I am making is (just like in my job) -  dont make a rash decission when quite alot depends on it! Nobody wants to lose a pot because of someones ill judgement (espeically when an outside opinion is being sought).

So.......... I am not mocking........ all I am saying is - if he sat there and said to himself........ "this is an £x,000 decission I am being asked to make" there is no way he just mucks the cards/continues to deal/ whatever! He wouild instead wait for the authorising decission. I sometimes think that they forget those little plastics discs in a  big heap oftentimes represent a big wedge to any of the players sat around the table!

[AlexMartin]

His equity for the other half of the pot is about £63

Buy the table £60 worth of sandwiches, tip the valet £3

This satisfies any moral responsibility you may feel you have, nobody can claim you gained from the dealer's actions, plus everybody gets sandwiches.

Easy game this poker.

tank delivers again. If i had been in this spot though id just give him back his money and forget about the hand.

[EvilPie]

lol @ chopping pots

this.

and even more lol at running it twice just because you've seen it on HSP...really..cut that shit out, please.

Have to agree with this. Don't do it again please.

If you want to chop a pot don't get involved in the first place.