10r 3 handed with history

[George2Loose]

OK played lunchtime 10r on stars today. 3 handed when this hand occurred and after some feedback. wanna post street by street.

History- I've been quite active and a little bit spewy. I have bluffed off to villian sb/bb a couple of hands where he's basically called pre and owned me post flop.

Bout 5 mins before this hand occured I've 3 bet shoved from button with K6 off as when he re raised from sb.

What do you do here and why?

PokerStars Game #24435490208: Tournament #136336588, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVIII (25000/50000) - 2009/01/30 15:37:29 ET
Table '136336588 54' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 4: wokkel101 (1544533 in chips)
Seat 5: mill88mike (2066037 in chips)
Seat 8: George2Loose (1418930 in chips)
wokkel101: posts the ante 5000
mill88mike: posts the ante 5000
George2Loose: posts the ante 5000
wokkel101: posts small blind 25000
mill88mike: posts big blind 50000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
George2Loose: raises 72997 to 122997
wokkel101: raises 227003 to 350000
mill88mike: folds
George2Loose:

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[amcgrath1uk]

shout me for a rail 1st ffs...

pocket pair 3 handed.. I'm getting them in

[George2Loose]

shout me for a rail 1st ffs...

pocket pair 3 handed.. I'm getting them in

lol sorry Asa- next time

[MC]

I think you have to shove here, as he could be 3 betting light, and there are hands he could pass if you shove.

I'm assuming you flatted, based on wanting to go street through street? Apologies if I'm being presumptious...

Not a huge fan of flatting here,
-If he has an overpair, we're screwed anyway, cos any flop that we like, he likes too.
-If he's 3bet light, you're giving him a chance to hit a flop
-If it comes AT7 we get away from the hand with chips remaining, but could be getting bluffed out

[George2Loose]

yes obv i did flat lol- just wanting opinions on whether most people would shove- I thought I was too deep to 3 bet shove.

[MANTIS01]

Shove is good for me too. Your history & image mean villain does this with atc, so your FE is sizeable. If you say this guy has owned you post flop then calling to play a pot he already has the initiative in with 3-3 is making life really difficult for yourself imo. If he's winning the battle post then win the battle pre instead.

[MC]

yes obv i did flat lol- just wanting opinions on whether most people would shove- I thought I was too deep to 3 bet shove.

Yeah I see your point man, and it's fairly risky, but in this spot I think it's probs best option...

[amcgrath1uk]

shout me for a rail 1st ffs...

pocket pair 3 handed.. I'm getting them in

lol sorry Asa- next time
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no worries.. might be shouting myself soon

7/87 in the 10k on stars...

and thinking again, I can easily, depending on my thoughts at the time, flat, shove or fold in this situation...lol

[LeKnave]

yes obv i did flat lol- just wanting opinions on whether most people would shove- I thought I was too deep to 3 bet shove.

juuuuune you have 30x, when has tht been too deep to 4bet shove.  its more too shallow than too deep lol.

[George2Loose]

yes obv i did flat lol- just wanting opinions on whether most people would shove- I thought I was too deep to 3 bet shove.

juuuuune you have 30x, when has tht been too deep to 4bet shove.  its more too shallow than too deep lol.

Where do we start to get to deep to shove in this spot? Would u ever peel in this spot or is 33 to vunerable? Would it be better if I was OOP to have first bluff option on flop.

Anyway I flatted!

Flop came down 942 rainbow and villian shoved for 1m into 500k....

Is this a fist pump call or have I created this problem for myself? Is he shoving any flop?

[MANTIS01]

Would it be better if I was OOP to have first bluff option on flop?
I don't think you want or need to see a flop either way

Flop came down 942 rainbow and villian shoved for 1m into 500k....
No shit

Is this a fist pump call or have I created this problem for myself? Is he shoving any flop?
It can only be a fist pump call if you've trapped him with 3-3. Have you trapped him? I haven't got a clue. Is why pushing pre is +1 for me.

[T_Mar]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[Royal Flush]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

[T_Mar]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

[MANTIS01]

The best you can hope for by calling is to be flipping against overcards.. This is a pretty loose range so you probs worse off


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 399,960  games     0.047 secs     8,509,787  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.800%     48.65%    00.15%            194576          606.00   { 3h3s }
Hand 1:    51.200%     51.05%    00.15%            204172          606.00   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, A2o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }


4bet pre ftw

 

[  ] That flop shove range is right.


George i would just jam pre, as played its a call.

fair enough.. can see range is ridic wide, out of interest tho how come you make it a call when equity only decreases as you tighten the range up?

Nah dude, that range isn't wide enough. Villain will shove it in very wide cos he knows checking prob means conceding the pot. So the problem is you simply have no clue whether he's hit or not, and this is why calling pre just sets yourself up for a call and hope here. Pushing pre uses your chips in an infinitely better way.