Clarkson did it again but what's wrong with the Beeb?

[boldie]

Interesting thing in the Times today.

Mr Cameron has said that "If I were to be prime minister I'd try to make devolution work and work closely with the devolved governments".

Mr Salmonds reply" The Scottish people will never forget what 18 years of Tory rule has brought them"

GG WP Salmond, you giant giant tool.

Salmond hasn't met Brown in the past year (though they have spoken over the phone) so he's not working well with Labour down south and is already throwing his toys out of the pram just in case Cameron gets elected. Very mature and it only re-enforces my belief that Scotland doesn't have 1st class politicians. Your prime minister lives 13 years in the past...what chance have you got as an independent nation?

[Ironside]

i listened to a debate on this i was trying to sleep this morning on radio scotland

constantly people arguing for independance claimed that MOST scots wanted it

but the guy hosting the show keep bringing forward the latest polls with less that 40% of the voters wanting it

so even if we do get a vote on the issue how are we going to get the people to vote for it

espically now with so many people coming in from europe and england who would all have a right to vote

[seven2unsuited]

If there was little appetite for independence the SNP would never have been elected  in the first place.  The way the country is going there is more appetite for independence now that there was 10 years ago, which is supported by the opinion polls.  Also its for the Scottish people to decide not 'Alex Salmond and his cronies'.

The election of the SNP was to the devolved Scottish parliament which can deal only with devolved issues, although full independence is a policy of the SNP it was not part of the manifesto they were elected on. The SNP capitalised on the unpopularity of Labour at the time and the shambles which was the Scottish Labour party,  even then it was the list MSPs that got them in. They used populist policies to get in as well and I'm confident we will as a nation still pay the price for some of these policies. 

I have seen first hand how they operate too when campaigning, they do seek out soft targets. The day before the last election for the Scottish parliament I was in East Kilbride Village as Salmond and some cronies hit the campaign trail. I watched with interest how they went about it, he seemed particularly keen on getting the pensioner vote as he certainly charmed the old ladies and gents, it was quite amazing how he homed in on them. He and his crew passed me and my wife on at least three occasions that day, none of them (their local MSP candidates, councillors, helpers) attempted to speak to us or seek our vote, this was true of a lot of people under 65. 

Mr Salmond is a very clever politician, always to be seen clinging to the coat tails of any Scottish success, never a peep or sighting when things go tits up though. He has populist policies which appeal to a lot of people who have no real interest in politics but think it's good to have free prescriptions and no bridge tolls but don't look at the bigger picture. These could well get him re-elected before he's found out.

However I am confident that if there is a referendum on it Scotland would remain part of the UK, especially in the current climate, then again maybe I give the voting public too much credit and real economic disaster awaits.

I'm not overly confident of an independence referendum succeeding at the moment for the SNP, but to say there is little or no appetite for it is wrong. 

[GlasgowBandit]

Interesting thing in the Times today.

Mr Cameron has said that "If I were to be prime minister I'd try to make devolution work and work closely with the devolved governments".

Mr Salmonds reply" The Scottish people will never forget what 18 years of Tory rule has brought them"

GG WP Salmond, you giant giant tool.

WTF??

Why would Salmond want to work alongside Cameron?  The Tories campaigned tooth and nail against devolution.  Did you ever live in Scotland during Thatchers reign?  Cameron is a wolf in sheeps clothing all tories are the same rotten to the core, everything they work on is based on pure self interest and is aimed at the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer.

Sometimes I wonder if your actually for real, I think you read things in the paper and just take it as Gospel.

[seven2unsuited]

Interesting thing in the Times today.

Mr Cameron has said that "If I were to be prime minister I'd try to make devolution work and work closely with the devolved governments".

Mr Salmonds reply" The Scottish people will never forget what 18 years of Tory rule has brought them"

GG WP Salmond, you giant giant tool.

Salmond hasn't met Brown in the past year (though they have spoken over the phone) so he's not working well with Labour down south and is already throwing his toys out of the pram just in case Cameron gets elected. Very mature and it only re-enforces my belief that Scotland doesn't have 1st class politicians. Your prime minister lives 13 years in the past...what chance have you got as an independent nation?

Whats wrong with what Salmond said, here was mearly stating a point.  

[Ironside]

Interesting thing in the Times today.

Mr Cameron has said that "If I were to be prime minister I'd try to make devolution work and work closely with the devolved governments".

Mr Salmonds reply" The Scottish people will never forget what 18 years of Tory rule has brought them"

GG WP Salmond, you giant giant tool.

WTF??

Why would Salmond want to work alongside Cameron?  The Tories campaigned tooth and nail against devolution.  Did you ever live in Scotland during Thatchers reign?  Cameron is a wolf in sheeps clothing all tories are the same rotten to the core, everything they work on is based on pure self interest and is aimed at the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer.

Sometimes I wonder if your actually for real, I think you read things in the paper and just take it as Gospel.

so you dont want labour and you dont want the tories then who do you want running SCOTLAND as come independance it will be the same 2 parties that will be in control as the SNP will disolve

[thetank]

At a guess, the socialist party?

[Ironside]

At a guess, the socialist party?

more chance of elvis become the nex us president

[thetank]

But not as long a shot as you being on countdown's dictionary corner.

[seven2unsuited]

Interesting thing in the Times today.

Mr Cameron has said that "If I were to be prime minister I'd try to make devolution work and work closely with the devolved governments".

Mr Salmonds reply" The Scottish people will never forget what 18 years of Tory rule has brought them"

GG WP Salmond, you giant giant tool.

the SFP!

WTF??

Why would Salmond want to work alongside Cameron?  The Tories campaigned tooth and nail against devolution.  Did you ever live in Scotland during Thatchers reign?  Cameron is a wolf in sheeps clothing all tories are the same rotten to the core, everything they work on is based on pure self interest and is aimed at the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer.

Sometimes I wonder if your actually for real, I think you read things in the paper and just take it as Gospel.

so you dont want labour and you dont want the tories then who do you want running SCOTLAND as come independance it will be the same 2 parties that will be in control as the SNP will disolve

The SFP!

[Ironside]

the SFP? the scotlands fckup party?

for the pasrt 10 years we have the best scotish politiians running the UK and guess what they are no better than the best england had to offer

we are not going to suddenly find 120 new politians that can magically lift the country past the intial 6 months feel good factor

[GlasgowBandit]

At a guess, the socialist party?

In one.  But definitely not the likes of the SSP.

I would like to see a broadbased political party that worked for everyone of us and not just a selection.  Independence would kill off New Labour, it would get rid of the Tories and the Lib Debs well who gives a fuck about them.

There are lots of good local politicians and ground workers in a lot of the political parties, some joiner the bigger parties hoping to change from within, some join the smaler parties hoping to garner support, some just become apathetic because of the ways main stream political parties try  manipulate the elections (at party, local and national level) by getting good hardworkers out with smears, gerrymandering and obstructing democracy because they no longer believe in the way the party is working.

Sadly the majority of Labours votes come in strongholds in which the people don't know better.  They vote Labour because their mammy's and daddies voted labour.  The recent Glasgow East by-election was a wake up call to the Scottish Labour Party and I hope John Mason goes on to become half efficient at Westminister as he was within the halls of Glasgow City Chambers because if he does he will do a grand job.

There are a few decent people in the Labour party who do some excellent constituency based worked but because they don't shape up and follow the party lead they are ostracised yet they stick in there hoping to change things because they are "true Labour".

[GlasgowBandit]

for the pasrt 10 years we have the best scotish politiians running the UK and guess what they are no better than the best england had to offer

Really?  Who are these best politicians that you speak of?

Gordon Brown hahaha
Ali Darling lol
John Reid - murdering bassa!! 
Douglas Alexander - nh gg wp.  I do everything that Uncle Gordon tells me.

Who else would you consider to be in their?

The best Scottish MP's in the Labour Party got nowhere near powers of position.

[boldie]

Interesting thing in the Times today.

Mr Cameron has said that "If I were to be prime minister I'd try to make devolution work and work closely with the devolved governments".

Mr Salmonds reply" The Scottish people will never forget what 18 years of Tory rule has brought them"

GG WP Salmond, you giant giant tool.

WTF??

Why would Salmond want to work alongside Cameron?  The Tories campaigned tooth and nail against devolution.  Did you ever live in Scotland during Thatchers reign?  Cameron is a wolf in sheeps clothing all tories are the same rotten to the core, everything they work on is based on pure self interest and is aimed at the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer.

Sometimes I wonder if your actually for real, I think you read things in the paper and just take it as Gospel.

...wow, just wow.

[seven2unsuited]

the SFP? the scotlands fckup party?

for the pasrt 10 years we have the best scotish politiians running the UK and guess what they are no better than the best england had to offer

we are not going to suddenly find 120 new politians that can magically lift the country past the intial 6 months feel good factor

?