Flop gorgeous deep v nutter. mbn

[AlexMartin]

flushy means lets create some phantom fold equity, give villain a chance to spaz out/make a marginal value shove when we havnet yet shown we are commited. We can still fold.... Hairydude, he means make it 190 total.

I thought it was perfect to click it back. Shame i lost him... sigh


***** Hand History for Game 485463861 *****
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, February 21, 02:07:07 ET 2009
Table Oxygen 59 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: JammyJenny ( $644.25 USD )
Seat 2: macc twn ( $0.00 USD )
Seat 3: UBERUSER01 ( $300.10 USD )
Seat 4: Nikos56 ( $199.00 USD )
Seat 5: Gabriel12 ( $611.69 USD )
Seat 6: A_Hoffman ( $678.40 USD )
JammyJenny posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
UBERUSER01 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [  ]
Nikos56 folds
Gabriel12 folds
A_Hoffman raises [$7.00 USD]
JammyJenny raises [$23.00 USD]
UBERUSER01 folds
A_Hoffman calls [$17.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
JammyJenny bets [$38.00 USD]
A_Hoffman raises [$90.00 USD]
JammyJenny raises [$167.00 USD]
A_Hoffman folds
JammyJenny wins $115.00 USD
JammyJenny wins $227.00 USD from main pot

[Hairydude]

flushy means lets create some phantom fold equity, give villain a chance to spaz out/make a marginal value shove when we havnet yet shown we are commited. We can still fold.... Hairydude, he means make it 190 total.

I thought it was perfect to click it back. Shame i lost him... sigh

cool...just trying to understand more advanced level of thinking.... so its ok to give pot odds-and thus under-rep our hand- in order to induce opponent to make a play?(as opponent is only likely to have straight/flush draw combos a % of the time anyway)?

[dousche]

i guess no matter how nutty the player is its tough to get 300BB in without him nailing the flop. i wonder if he passes AQ here...

[Hairydude]

i guess no matter how nutty the player is its tough to get 300BB in without him nailing the flop. i wonder if he passes AQ here...

hmmm he's table nutter so I'd say unlikely

[dousche]

i guess no matter how nutty the player is its tough to get 300BB in without him nailing the flop. i wonder if he passes AQ here...

hmmm he's table nutter so I'd say unlikely

reraise pf and bet/3-bet on the flop. he'd have to be some nutter to get 300bb in here

[Royal Flush]

I dunno about cash games but generally the small raises like 90 into 190 are the ones that are bluffs in tournaments, you give so much rope to you oppo to be able to 4 bet to fold to a 5 bet.

do you mean that you give your oppo enough room that he thinks he can make you pass with 4-bet? i think im misreading your post but it seems to me that ur saying that villain can 4-bet and fold to 5-bet

Yeah i make it small enough that he can make some spazzy 4 bet to our 190 total that he can do it with complete air because so many bluffs are small in these spots "air or everything" so he has to either put us on a set or air, air is more likely.

I probs 3 bet really small like 190, leaves him shit loads of fold equity.

Flushy do you mean $190 total or an additional $190(on top of oppo's $90 raise) so $260 total?? I know i'm probably several levels behind but if its only additional $100 to opponent this gives great odds for him to call if he does have combination draws(or even for just an undercard flush draw)?? or should we not even think of this at this stage? should it be all about fold equity and inducing the opponent to make a play with us having such a strong holding??

Yeah part of his range is flush draws but don't get too caught up on that, part of it is junk/drawing dead, don't focus on 'protecting your hand' focus on getting the drawing dead part of his range into the pot. As it happens if he has raised the FD already then there is a great chance he will just smash it into the pot now against a raise that looks like it might be folding.

[Dubai]

If this is betfair he's a high stakes player messing about

[daviebhoy]

What about flatting and leading the turn?

I like this against this opponent. If we are certain he has nothing then he probably folds to the re-raise on the flop. It is very likely he would be willing to bluff off his chips on the turn though if he puts us on a draw. We look weak and we get him to raise us on turn when he is likely to be drawing dead.

If we are wrong it could be an expensive mistake if one of the draws get there but to be honest we aren't folding against this guy and he calls the raise on the flop with the draws so it doesn't make any difference whether the draws get there or not. When the 4 of diamonds comes on the turn just wait for him to ship his chips over to you.

dn