does anyone agree

[gatso]

I'm sorry but if I'm going to choose a holiday its not going to be Afghanistan or Iraq .
he went there for one reason ,why should we (great Briton ) take him back.
why didn't he claim asylum in one of these country's ?.

the US government held and tortured the guy for 6 years and still couldn't come up with as much as a parking violation to charge him with yet somehow you feel you can assume he's a terrorist based on a newspaper article that you've clearly misread

[tikay]

Here is the statement by Binman Mohamed, via his lawyers.......




'I hope you will understand that after everything I have been through I am neither physically nor mentally capable of facing the media on my arrival back to Britain. Please forgive me if I make a simple statement through my lawyer. I hope to be able to do better in days to come.
I have been through an experience that I never thought to encounter in my darkest nightmares.
Before this ordeal, 'torture' was an abstract word to me. I could never have imagined that I would be its victim.
It is still difficult for me to believe that I was abducted, hauled from one country to the next, and tortured in medieval ways - all orchestrated by the U.S government.
While I want to recover, and put it all as far in my past as I can, I also know I have an obligation to the people who still remain in those torture chambers. My own despair was greatest when I thought that everyone had abandoned me. I have a duty to make sure that nobody else is forgotten.
I am grateful that in the end I was not simply left to my fate. I am grateful to my lawyers and other staff at Reprieve, and to Lt Col Yvonne Bradley, who fought for my freedom.
I am grateful to the members of the British Foreign Office who worked for my release.
And I want to thank people around Britain who wrote to me in Guantanamo Bay to keep my spirits up, as well as to the members of the media who tried to make sure that the world knew what was going on.
I know I would not be home in Britain today if it were not for everyone's support. Indeed, I might not be alive at all. I wish I could say that it is all over, but it is not.
There are still 241 Muslim prisoners in Guantanamo. Many have long since been cleared even by the U.S. military, yet cannot go anywhere as they face persecution.
And I have to say, more in sadness than in anger, that many have been complicit in my own horrors over the past seven years.
For myself, the very worst moment came when I realised in Morocco that the people who were torturing me were receiving questions and materials from British intelligence.
I had met with British intelligence in Pakistan. I had been open with them. Yet the very people who I had hoped would come to my rescue, I later realised, had allied themselves with my abusers.
I am not asking for vengeance; only that the truth should be made known, so that nobody in the future should have to endure what I have endured. Thank you.'

It is being widely reported that......

his U.S. captors hung him from wrist straps, beat him and mutilated his genitals with a scalpel to make him confess to a 'dirty bomb' plot

He was never so much as Charged with committting any crime.

[vinni]

I'm sorry but if I'm going to choose a holiday its not going to be Afghanistan or Iraq .
he went there for one reason ,why should we (great Briton ) take him back.
why didn't he claim asylum in one of these country's ?.

the US government held and tortured the guy for 6 years and still couldn't come up with as much as a parking violation to charge him with yet somehow you feel you can assume he's a terrorist based on a newspaper article that you've clearly misread

what I'm trying to say is why should we (GB) take him back ,he wasn't born here ,hes come to this country claiming his life is at risk .
I'm sorry but i find that a load of b.....x ,why then pack your bags and go to the 2 country's in the world where there is bombings and shootings every day.
 

the trouble with this country is there are to many do gooders ,and to many people that just sit back and let it happen .
so you think it is right then for us to pay all this tax and then realise we have to foot the bill to look after some one who has no right to it .
why the hell would any one want to travel with a false passport in the first place your asking for trouble .
then when he gets caught he starts screaming about human rights ,this guy was up to no good .
 he will be brought here and treat better than the people that fought for us in the 2ND world war .


come on you cant tell me you cant actually feel for this guy ,he must have been watched .
I'm sorry but i haven't got an ounce of feeling for him ,they should turf him out now .
before you start saying I'm prejudice ,I play and travel with Asians .

[kinboshi]

I'm sorry but if I'm going to choose a holiday its not going to be Afghanistan or Iraq .
he went there for one reason ,why should we (great Briton ) take him back.
why didn't he claim asylum in one of these country's ?.

the US government held and tortured the guy for 6 years and still couldn't come up with as much as a parking violation to charge him with yet somehow you feel you can assume he's a terrorist based on a newspaper article that you've clearly misread

what I'm trying to say is why should we (GB) take him back ,he wasn't born here ,hes come to this country claiming his life is at risk .
I'm sorry but i find that a load of b.....x ,why then pack your bags and go to the 2 country's in the world where there is bombings and shootings every day.
 

the trouble with this country is there are to many do gooders ,and to many people that just sit back and let it happen .
so you think it is right then for us to pay all this tax and then realise we have to foot the bill to look after some one who has no right to it .
why the hell would any one want to travel with a false passport in the first place your asking for trouble .
then when he gets caught he starts screaming about human rights ,this guy was up to no good .
 he will be brought here and treat better than the people that fought for us in the 2ND world war .


come on you cant tell me you cant actually feel for this guy ,he must have been watched .
I'm sorry but i haven't got an ounce of feeling for him ,they should turf him out now .
before you start saying I'm prejudice ,I play and travel with Asians .

If he's innocent (and he hasn't been proved guilty of anything) - then yes I do feel sorry for someone who has been systematically tortured and deprived of his human rights for over 6 years!

Why does the place someone happened to be born make them any different to anyone else?

[vinni]

like i have said why come to Britain claim asylum then shoot of to Iraq and Afghanistan .
do you not think that is unusual in that sense .
why should he be given asylum in the first place .
whether he done anything or not why should he be allowed back .
he thought he was safe in Afghanistan (what man would want to go to a country like that ) would you i know i wouldn't .
why not stay there (BTW they dont give state handouts ).

[tikay]

Anyome remember that great film, in black & white, starring Peter Sellars - "I'm all right, Jack"?

[vinni]

lol .sounds about right.

[Claw75]

lol .sounds about right.

QFT

[boldie]

like i have said why come to Britain claim asylum then shoot of to Iraq and Afghanistan .
do you not think that is unusual in that sense .
why should he be given asylum in the first place .
whether he done anything or not why should he be allowed back .
he thought he was safe in Afghanistan (what man would want to go to a country like that ) would you i know i wouldn't .
why not stay there (BTW they dont give state handouts ).

wow...just wow.

Obviously you couldn't even be bothered reading the entire Daily Mail story.

[Grier78]

If only blonde was representative of the wider British public.

[ScottMGee]

Can any explain why these people always seem to head for Britain?

As far I can see we have no major historical connection to Ethiopia, what did he do - google 'free benefits' and then decide Britain's the place to be.

In a May 2008 letter to Downing Street, he told how he felt "betrayed" by Britain and said he was contemplating suicide.

Why does he want to return to this county then! rather than anyone of a number of Islamic countries.

Also his leave to remain has long since expired so we have no legal obligation to take him in.

[Robert HM]

Can any explain why these people always seem to head for Britain?

As far I can see we have no major historical connection to Ethiopia, what did he do - google 'free benefits' and then decide Britain's the place to be.

In a May 2008 letter to Downing Street, he told how he felt "betrayed" by Britain and said he was contemplating suicide.

Why does he want to return to this county then! rather than anyone of a number of Islamic countries.

Also his leave to remain has long since expired so we have no legal obligation to take him in.

I think this country owes him a moral obligation, a debt which will never be repaid.

[Longy]

Can any explain why these people always seem to head for Britain?

Yeah there is no ethnic minorities in France or in fact most western european countries, good point.

/ Sarcasam.

[ScottMGee]

Yeah there is no ethnic minorities in France or in fact most western european countries, good point.

/ Sarcasam.

1) Are their no 'safe' countries in the whole of Africa?
2) I do not recall there being camps of refugees at Dover desperate to get into France! unlike the Sangat camp

I think this country owes him a moral obligation, a debt which will never be repaid.

For what exactly?

1) Offering leave to stay? - What doe he do with his new life in Britain away from the threat of persecution in Ethiopia? spend his time taking drugs and then decides to visit Afganistan apparently using a false passport!
2) Getting him of the USA?
3) Allowing him to come back here?

As far I can tell the only thing we did against him was share intelligence with the USA, a thing that has kept us safe for a long time.

For the record I am totally against: -

the use of torture,
the 42 days without trial idea &
ID cards.

I am fully supportive of our freedoms and civil liberties, but this does not mean I have to give this guy the benefit of the doubt as I also have the right to my opinion.

[Longy]

Yeah there is no ethnic minorities in France or in fact most western european countries, good point.

/ Sarcasam.

1) Are their no 'safe' countries in the whole of Africa?
2) I do not recall there being camps of refugees at Dover desperate to get into France! unlike the Sangat camp

1) Well not many truly safe countries, South Africa and Egypt would probably top the list. Both those countries have internal problems with crime and terroisms. Also both have massive racial problems, where an Ethopian's life would be pretty miserable. The only country that has colonial links with Ethopia is Italy, when Mussolini invaded in the 30's.

2) Now come on I don't believe your geography can be that bad.