Hero fold

[T_Mar]

I'm guessing that you thought your hand must look like exactly what is.. and that Sam obviously knowing this wouldn't value bet a worse hand on the river??

Dont you think though that if he puts you on the hand you got or similar  (maybe 89/67ss) etc..and the fact he knows you obv capable of folding a big hand it would make more sense for him to check the nuts and let you value bet yourself...if he actually had it ??

I doubt Sam thought Karl's hand was as strong as a flush

You dont think it makes up a fair chunk of his over calling range on flop?

You could be right though.. I probs over thinking it

It does look like the overcall is a flush draw but I'm guessing because of this history that Karl talks about vs Sam thinks Karl's range is probably a fair bit wider than most ppl's there.

I can't imagine Sam putting Karl on a flush and then thinking he could make him pass his hand given their dynamic but then Sam and Karl are both much beter players than I am so what do I know!?

I think Sam was putting Karl on a kinda marginal hand like a small pp and thought he could make him fold it.

Yeah you probs right.. think I was getting carried away lol.... interesting to see what karls thoughts were tho

[Royal Flush]

Sam doesn't think Karl has a flush, surely Karl would jam the flop with a flush draw, so the over call looks nothing like a FD, a mid PP maybe not a FD.

Obv this hand is a fold pre, a raise post and a call/jam on the river.

Infact i have no idea what you were thinking when you passed this?!!?

[T_Mar]

Sam doesn't think Karl has a flush, surely Karl would jam the flop with a flush draw, so the over call looks nothing like a FD, a mid PP maybe not a FD.
Obv this hand is a fold pre, a raise post and a call/jam on the river.

Infact i have no idea what you were thinking when you passed this?!!?

fair enough, looks like u were spot on greek

[GreekStein]

Sam doesn't think Karl has a flush, surely Karl would jam the flop with a flush draw, so the over call looks nothing like a FD, a mid PP maybe not a FD.
Obv this hand is a fold pre, a raise post and a call/jam on the river.

Infact i have no idea what you were thinking when you passed this?!!?

fair enough, looks like u were spot on greek

Yeah but these days Flushy just copies what I write on here anyway.

[EvilPie]

I'm interested to know what you can put Sam on for him to not fire a second bullet on the turn.

He's out of position so no point getting trappy with a full house. If he's got a set he's likely to protect it or pot build with another bet.

I can't even see why he checks with the nut flush draw here giving him the chance to bluff if misses the river by repping the made hand.

I'm not saying that I'd put him on 33 but I definitely can't see anything he could have that's beating you.

Obviously your history with him may be an issue here but I think you need to be careful not to let that affect you too much if you're laying down here.

[MANTIS01]

I don't think Sam needs to stop and put Karl on any specific hand does he? He simply knows his only chance to win the pot is betting out. So he bets out. I would say this guy looks down at his 3-3...looks at the texture of the board...thinks how strong he's gonna look if he bets into 2 live oppos on that river, and just bets. Most importantly...he is really liking the bet out option with 3-3 cos his oppos fold king flushes here. Really no need to put people on hands if they fold king flushes in this situation. I think Sam plays this v simple and it's the right strat too, cos Karl's been too complex in his thinking...prob as anticipated by his oppo.

[Tractor]

FML.

[Dry em]

Time to come clean. I mis-posted the result but for the right reasons. Sam in fact was holding As 10s

I didn't post this to start with as the discussion wouldn't have been half as interesting, and not posting a result at all would have people just saying it's an easy call or be obvious that I was going to be beat as it wouldn't be a very interesting story if I called and was good would it...

Ignoring the accepted fact that pre-flop should be a fold...as stated I didn't like the jam on the flop because I felt Sam had to have something to c-bet into me and James, and that whatever this something was he wasn't going to fold it to me.

When we get to the river, Sam quickly bets 3100. When I tried to come up with a range of hands Sam would take this line with, I wasn't fairing too well. In my eyes he has to have a flush at minimum. What sense does it make to bet the river into 2 people who have called you on the flop when the flush hits, if you don't have at least a flush yourself? Of course there are some flushes that I beat but the K, Q, J and 9 are all accounted for. On top of this the board is already paired. Even a small flush might fear being outpipped behind him given the action, and whilst they would still bet the river I fancied Sam may take slightly longer to determine his bet size with these hands.

Of course Sam's hand doesn't determine whether this is a good or a bad call, hence this post shouldn't change anyone's previously posted opinion. Flushy has already labelled it the worst fold he's ever seen, an award of which I am quite proud. These live players are so tez imo.

[Dubai]

I have a headache.

[AlexMartin]

sigh, bragaments.

[MANTIS01]

Time to come clean. I mis-posted the result but for the right reasons. Sam in fact was holding As 10s

I didn't post this to start with as the discussion wouldn't have been half as interesting, and not posting a result at all would have people just saying it's an easy call or be obvious that I was going to be beat as it wouldn't be a very interesting story if I called and was good would it...

Ignoring the accepted fact that pre-flop should be a fold...as stated I didn't like the jam on the flop because I felt Sam had to have something to c-bet into me and James, and that whatever this something was he wasn't going to fold it to me.

When we get to the river, Sam quickly bets 3100. When I tried to come up with a range of hands Sam would take this line with, I wasn't fairing too well. In my eyes he has to have a flush at minimum. What sense does it make to bet the river into 2 people who have called you on the flop when the flush hits, if you don't have at least a flush yourself? Of course there are some flushes that I beat but the K, Q, J and 9 are all accounted for. On top of this the board is already paired. Even a small flush might fear being outpipped behind him given the action, and whilst they would still bet the river I fancied Sam may take slightly longer to determine his bet size with these hands.

Of course Sam's hand doesn't determine whether this is a good or a bad call, hence this post shouldn't change anyone's previously posted opinion. Flushy has already labelled it the worst fold he's ever seen, an award of which I am quite proud. These live players are so tez imo.

betting out with 3-3 would be skillz

[Dry em]

sigh, bragaments.

Rather just a massive level to ensure people try to bluff their chips off to me tomorrow

[Dubai]

I was praying this was true.

Dont get why u bother playing £300 comps? I mean its $450. Surely just play online and win 3x 1st place in a night instead?

[George2Loose]

Im loving this thread.

Nice post Karl.  Hope your on the opposite end of the cardroom from me tomorrow (meaning I'll now probably be sat to your right)

[Numpty Dumpty]

I was praying this was true.

Dont get why u bother playing £300 comps? I mean its $450. Surely just play online and win 3x 1st place in a night instead?

sigh, bragaments