mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right?

[AlexMartin]

my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though.
river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right?


Full Tilt Poker Game #10858497827: $18,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (81589665), Table 21 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:58:45 ET - 2009/02/26
Seat 1: iloseflips2424 (11,573)
Seat 2: Bergmannen (11,004)
Seat 3: SALENTO12 (11,255)
Seat 4: 1NEVAK6 (1,702)
Seat 5: clotilda (12,125)
Seat 6: Strongbad99 (27,809)
Seat 7: harley8234 (1,889), is sitting out
Seat 8: andend (3,730)
Seat 9: shalik malik (11,407)
iloseflips2424 antes 25
Bergmannen antes 25
SALENTO12 antes 25
1NEVAK6 antes 25
clotilda antes 25
Strongbad99 antes 25
harley8234 antes 25
andend antes 25
shalik malik antes 25
Strongbad99 posts the small blind of 150
harley8234 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Strongbad99 [ ]
andend folds
shalik malik folds
iloseflips2424 raises to 750
Bergmannen folds
SALENTO12 folds
1NEVAK6 folds
clotilda folds
Strongbad99 calls 600
harley8234 folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Strongbad99 checks
iloseflips2424 bets 1,100
Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act
Strongbad99 has requested TIME
Strongbad99 calls 1,100
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Strongbad99 checks
iloseflips2424 checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act
Strongbad99 has requested TIME
Strongbad99 bets 3,300
iloseflips2424 has 15 seconds left to act
iloseflips2424 raises to 9,698, and is all in
Strongbad99: i suck

[MC]

Wow this does look like a flush, can't see it being the ten...

[Thekellster89]

my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though.
river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right?


Full Tilt Poker Game #10858497827: $18,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (81589665), Table 21 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:58:45 ET - 2009/02/26
Seat 1: iloseflips2424 (11,573)
Seat 2: Bergmannen (11,004)
Seat 3: SALENTO12 (11,255)
Seat 4: 1NEVAK6 (1,702)
Seat 5: clotilda (12,125)
Seat 6: Strongbad99 (27,809)
Seat 7: harley8234 (1,889), is sitting out
Seat 8: andend (3,730)
Seat 9: shalik malik (11,407)
iloseflips2424 antes 25
Bergmannen antes 25
SALENTO12 antes 25
1NEVAK6 antes 25
clotilda antes 25
Strongbad99 antes 25
harley8234 antes 25
andend antes 25
shalik malik antes 25
Strongbad99 posts the small blind of 150
harley8234 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Strongbad99 [ ]
andend folds
shalik malik folds
iloseflips2424 raises to 750
Bergmannen folds
SALENTO12 folds
1NEVAK6 folds
clotilda folds
Strongbad99 calls 600
harley8234 folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Strongbad99 checks
iloseflips2424 bets 1,100
Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act
Strongbad99 has requested TIME
Strongbad99 calls 1,100
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Strongbad99 checks
iloseflips2424 checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act
Strongbad99 has requested TIME
Strongbad99 bets 3,300
iloseflips2424 has 15 seconds left to act
iloseflips2424 raises to 9,698, and is all in
Strongbad99: i suck

[ ] wp

[Thekellster89]

river is 100% a check call imo

[Rupert]

bet/folds standard obv.  u get value from mid pairs a lot - he might decide to turn these into a bluff for w/e reason - his line rep's a ten/33/44/sometimes a flush i guess but i'm not sure what high cards he decided to float the flop with so flush is pretty unlikely.  so readless ya i'd bet/fold.  i'd say c/c is pretty bad fwiw - he's not really gonna value bet any small/medium pair here but he will pretty frequently call a river bet with them

[MANTIS01]

Nice calls pre and flop....but surely those smooth calls set up a turn raise no?

[daviebhoy]

my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though.
river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right?

I don't see how he can't be bluffing here ever. You have slow-played your hand and on the river the board is looking incredibly scary. He has no reason to think you have the flush or a house (which you don't). It seems like a great spot to bluff considering there are 7,000 chips in the middle to be won. Looking at it from villains perspective he is likely to have you on a pocket pair or a big ace so I think the river push here is a good play.

Axss, QQ or even 44 look more likely tho....

I would tend to check-call the river here as there isn't much you beat that calls on the end but you will pick up extra value from bluffs.

[daviebhoy]

he's not really gonna value bet any small/medium pair here but he will pretty frequently call a river bet with them

You have to weigh this up with the times he has nothing and bets, the times he has flush or house where you lose the minimum and the times you get bluffed off the best hand by bet-folding. If opponent is weak-passive then bet folding is fine but against anyone half-decent then id prefer check-call.

[AlexMartin]

Nice calls pre and flop....but surely those smooth calls set up a turn raise no?

read HH mate

bet/folds standard obv.  u get value from mid pairs a lot - he might decide to turn these into a bluff for w/e reason - his line rep's a ten/33/44/sometimes a flush i guess but i'm not sure what high cards he decided to float the flop with so flush is pretty unlikely.  so readless ya i'd bet/fold.  i'd say c/c is pretty bad fwiw - he's not really gonna value bet any small/medium pair here but he will pretty frequently call a river bet with them

Yeah river i think is bet/fold as standard, not sure why kellster thinks its to tez but he binked twice so is probs right. Primarily i think c/c is bad because he bets all beeter hands and gets to showdown with worse, JJ/99/AQ etc (fwiw i think he checks back turn w AQ too).

my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though.
river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right?

I don't see how he can't be bluffing here ever. You have slow-played your hand and on the river the board is looking incredibly scary. He has no reason to think you have the flush or a house (which you don't). It seems like a great spot to bluff considering there are 7,000 chips in the middle to be won. Looking at it from villains perspective he is likely to have you on a pocket pair or a big ace so I think the river push here is a good play.

Axss, QQ or even 44 look more likely tho....

I would tend to check-call the river here as there isn't much you beat that calls on the end but you will pick up extra value from bluffs.

My hand looks a lot like a mid pp a lot, apart from the river bet of course, genuinely i rarely see players making huge moves on the river on such polar boards on full tilt, especially giving hero 2:1, would appreciate rooks/clamfish/flushies input.

b/f > c/c imo

[MANTIS01]

Nice calls pre and flop....but surely those smooth calls set up a turn bet no?

[action man]

there arent many hands that value bet the river here that you beat, if you check to him AQ/QK or complete air. I think your river bet is way too big. Your line looks a lot like a ten, so hands you are hoping call you, i.e mid pairs/Queens/JJ/ might not do in view of your line and your strong river bet. The size of your bet also makes it tougher for him to bluff here, which is what i think you might have been thinking. I bet 2k ish on the river and fold to the shove as i dont think he's bluffing here 99% of the time. Id do a quick OPR. If he's god damn afwul, i may c/c if he's anywhere near +roi then i bet2k/fold.

Even though if u bet 2k he could bluff jam the river with more FE than if you bet 3300, the board texture and your check call of the flop negate the former.

[Royal Flush]

there arent many hands that value bet the river here that you beat, if you check to him AQ/QK or complete air. I think your river bet is way too big. Your line looks a lot like a ten, so hands you are hoping call you, i.e mid pairs/Queens/JJ/ might not do in view of your line and your strong river bet. The size of your bet also makes it tougher for him to bluff here, which is what i think you might have been thinking. I bet 2k ish on the river and fold to the shove as i dont think he's bluffing here 99% of the time. Id do a quick OPR. If he's god damn afwul, i may c/c if he's anywhere near +roi then i bet2k/fold.

Even though if u bet 2k he could bluff jam the river with more FE than if you bet 3300, the board texture and your check call of the flop negate the former.

This is perfect imo

[neverbluff67]

Villain is an agg reg likely to be multitabling and its unlikely he will have you tagged as tight if you have never played with him before

3bet pre.

That said I dont hate flatting pre but i definately raise the flop,

As played to the river..

Bet/fold is optimal imo
1500-2kish

[AlexMartin]

Villain is an agg reg likely to be multitabling and its unlikely he will have you tagged as tight if you have never played with him before

3bet pre.

That said I dont hate flatting pre but i definately raise the flop,

As played to the river..

Bet/fold is optimal imo
1500-2kish

cheers for input neverbluff, iv only recently got back into donkaments again. could you expend this point please and give reasoning.

I would have though we have the vast majority of his range locked to between 2 and 3 outs. We dont let him continue to bluff/barrel "scarecards" or value cut himself with worse later on if we cr/we just polarise our range to bluffs/biggish made hands. I doubt hes gonna level himself and rebluff and i doubt hes gonna make thin calldowns..........

[Royal Flush]

Villain is an agg reg likely to be multitabling and its unlikely he will have you tagged as tight if you have never played with him before

3bet pre.

That said I dont hate flatting pre but i definately raise the flop,

As played to the river..

Bet/fold is optimal imo
1500-2kish

cheers for input neverbluff, iv only recently got back into donkaments again. could you expend this point please and give reasoning.

I would have though we have the vast majority of his range locked to between 2 and 3 outs. We dont let him continue to bluff/barrel "scarecards" or value cut himself with worse later on if we cr/we just polarise our range to bluffs/biggish made hands. I doubt hes gonna level himself and rebluff and i doubt hes gonna make thin calldowns..........

That's the thing though Alex people do make the flop 3 bet on dry boards like that these days, its far more common than you think.