This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[Acidmouse]

I was in Luton last night, & this Protest was on everyone's lips.

Luton, for those who are not familiar, is very much a multi-racial area, with a high concentration of Italians, Asians, & East Europeans.

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

Racist fukwits no more no less.

[cia260895]

Tony,

I have been watching this thread as you'd expect, and had a mind not to entertain it with comment. There are many valid points from all who have posted and I have no gripes with any other than your "provocation" comment.

You sir, have insulted the troops more than any with this despicable comment.

A wee bit of background for you.

All Infantry Regiments are linked to their recruiting areas, the areas that have provided men & boys to serve within these Regiments for hundredes of years. 2 Royal Anglian (The Poachers) are recruited largely from this area and as such have been awarded the freedom of various Boroughs/Cities/Towns, one of which is Luton.

Part of this honour of the freedom of the burghs (which would have been bestowed on the Regiment many years ago) is that the Regiment can march freely through the town.

All Regiments do this from time to time and excercise their right to march through these burghs/cities who have graciously bestowed this honour on them.

They do this in order to thank the local people/family/friends for their support when on operations. Much of this support comes from others who, like many of us, are against certain operations.

So to say that their march through their home town which was a thank you to all who have supported them is "provocative" I truly find beyond belief.

"Lets not thank the majority because the minority may be offended" what utter tosh.

Geo

I think that's fair comment Geo, but the comment was not "insulting", because, by definition, insults have to be intended, & they are not insults unless they are. You can interpret my words however you wish, but it won't change the meaning.
And you well know it was not my intention to insult our Troops.

The OP stated a "FACT" that protests should not be allowed. That is not a fact at all. Protests ARE allowed.

We might not like them - I certainly did not like this one - but we can't change facts just because we disapprove of them.

Tony i have never said that protests should not be allowed.I said that this protest shouldn't be allowed with a view to supporting our troops instead of having them put up with the vile tirade of abuse as they did,

As i said a time and place but we do live in a democracy and i DO accept that the protest went ahead with the support of the police and that there wasnt anything illegal with the protest

 maybe I am wrong in my view and that wouldnt be a 1st but it is my view and you have yours and we are all entilted to them.
Agreed i used the word FACT in the OP but this was just for impact more than anything else.

Err.......that kinda changes your position then!

You said "they should not be allowed - FACT".

Which was my whole basis for debating.

So you are saying they should be allowed, yes?

No,

 i am saying they should not be allowed,(the protest against the troops when returning from a tour and marching through their hometown to a tirade of abuse)

Of course protests and demonstrations are a fundamental principle of the modern world but this incident was not IMO right time right place

what  i am saying that in my opinion this type of demo shouldn't be allowed but understand that the way the law is that there isn't anything i can do to change it.

hope this clarifies

[AndrewT]

CIA - you're in a hole.

Dig up.

[tikay]

Tony,

I have been watching this thread as you'd expect, and had a mind not to entertain it with comment. There are many valid points from all who have posted and I have no gripes with any other than your "provocation" comment.

You sir, have insulted the troops more than any with this despicable comment.

A wee bit of background for you.

All Infantry Regiments are linked to their recruiting areas, the areas that have provided men & boys to serve within these Regiments for hundredes of years. 2 Royal Anglian (The Poachers) are recruited largely from this area and as such have been awarded the freedom of various Boroughs/Cities/Towns, one of which is Luton.

Part of this honour of the freedom of the burghs (which would have been bestowed on the Regiment many years ago) is that the Regiment can march freely through the town.

All Regiments do this from time to time and excercise their right to march through these burghs/cities who have graciously bestowed this honour on them.

They do this in order to thank the local people/family/friends for their support when on operations. Much of this support comes from others who, like many of us, are against certain operations.

So to say that their march through their home town which was a thank you to all who have supported them is "provocative" I truly find beyond belief.

"Lets not thank the majority because the minority may be offended" what utter tosh.

Geo

I think that's fair comment Geo, but the comment was not "insulting", because, by definition, insults have to be intended, & they are not insults unless they are. You can interpret my words however you wish, but it won't change the meaning.
And you well know it was not my intention to insult our Troops.

The OP stated a "FACT" that protests should not be allowed. That is not a fact at all. Protests ARE allowed.

We might not like them - I certainly did not like this one - but we can't change facts just because we disapprove of them.

Tony i have never said that protests should not be allowed.I said that this protest shouldn't be allowed with a view to supporting our troops instead of having them put up with the vile tirade of abuse as they did,

As i said a time and place but we do live in a democracy and i DO accept that the protest went ahead with the support of the police and that there wasnt anything illegal with the protest

 maybe I am wrong in my view and that wouldnt be a 1st but it is my view and you have yours and we are all entilted to them.
Agreed i used the word FACT in the OP but this was just for impact more than anything else.

Err.......that kinda changes your position then!

You said "they should not be allowed - FACT".

Which was my whole basis for debating.

So you are saying they should be allowed, yes?

No,

 i am saying they should not be allowed,(the protest against the troops when returning from a tour and marching through their hometown to a tirade of abuse)

Of course protests and demonstrations are a fundamental principle of the modern world but this incident was not IMO right time right place

what  i am saying that in my opinion this type of demo shouldn't be allowed but understand that the way the law is that there isn't anything i can do to change it.

hope this clarifies

I agree it was dreadful, the abuse the Servicemen got.

But Protesting is allowed, it's part of our way of life, & by their very natrure, Protests tend to be hostile. You don't get much "ra ra, well done chaps" at Protests. That's reserved for Rallies.

The troops done good, we all recognize that.

The Protesters had what they saw was good reason to protest - it was their Countries which had been invaded, & they have reason to feel aggrieved.

That juxtaposition is never going to be a tea-party.

We need to see both sides of these things. Seeing both sides, & agreeing with both sides, are different things.

[turny]

I was in Luton last night, & this Protest was on everyone's lips.

Luton, for those who are not familiar, is very much a multi-racial area, with a high concentration of Italians, Asians, & East Europeans.

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

Racist fukwits no more no less.

isnt this just a form of protest to? it was ok for the soldiers to be abused in the name of protest but the people sitting at the table discussing it in front of a lithunian dealer isnt allowed and makes them racist fuckwits?

no saying i agree with either just playing devils advocaat

[henrik777]

The Protesters had what they saw was good reason to protest - it was their Countries which had been invaded, & they have reason to feel aggrieved.

Somebody put the mods on high alert 

Sandy

[Colchester Kev]

The Protesters had what they saw was good reason to protest - it was their Countries which had been invaded, & they have reason to feel aggrieved.

Somebody put the mods on high alert 

Sandy

I am sitting on my hands ... and going out at 4pm.

I f i stay in and type im gonna get a twatting with the ban stick

[TightEnd]

no saying i agree with either just playing devils advocaat

be careful, we won't be issuing too many Warninks

[cia260895]

CIA - you're in a hole.

Dig up.

to do that i would have to ask for a spade then i would be accused of being racist


just fill it in with concrete

[turny]

Tony,

I have been watching this thread as you'd expect, and had a mind not to entertain it with comment. There are many valid points from all who have posted and I have no gripes with any other than your "provocation" comment.

You sir, have insulted the troops more than any with this despicable comment.

A wee bit of background for you.

All Infantry Regiments are linked to their recruiting areas, the areas that have provided men & boys to serve within these Regiments for hundredes of years. 2 Royal Anglian (The Poachers) are recruited largely from this area and as such have been awarded the freedom of various Boroughs/Cities/Towns, one of which is Luton.

Part of this honour of the freedom of the burghs (which would have been bestowed on the Regiment many years ago) is that the Regiment can march freely through the town.

All Regiments do this from time to time and excercise their right to march through these burghs/cities who have graciously bestowed this honour on them.

They do this in order to thank the local people/family/friends for their support when on operations. Much of this support comes from others who, like many of us, are against certain operations.

So to say that their march through their home town which was a thank you to all who have supported them is "provocative" I truly find beyond belief.

"Lets not thank the majority because the minority may be offended" what utter tosh.

Geo

I think that's fair comment Geo, but the comment was not "insulting", because, by definition, insults have to be intended, & they are not insults unless they are. You can interpret my words however you wish, but it won't change the meaning.
And you well know it was not my intention to insult our Troops.

The OP stated a "FACT" that protests should not be allowed. That is not a fact at all. Protests ARE allowed.

We might not like them - I certainly did not like this one - but we can't change facts just because we disapprove of them.

Tony i have never said that protests should not be allowed.I said that this protest shouldn't be allowed with a view to supporting our troops instead of having them put up with the vile tirade of abuse as they did,

As i said a time and place but we do live in a democracy and i DO accept that the protest went ahead with the support of the police and that there wasnt anything illegal with the protest

 maybe I am wrong in my view and that wouldnt be a 1st but it is my view and you have yours and we are all entilted to them.
Agreed i used the word FACT in the OP but this was just for impact more than anything else.

Err.......that kinda changes your position then!

You said "they should not be allowed - FACT".

Which was my whole basis for debating.

So you are saying they should be allowed, yes?

No,

 i am saying they should not be allowed,(the protest against the troops when returning from a tour and marching through their hometown to a tirade of abuse)

Of course protests and demonstrations are a fundamental principle of the modern world but this incident was not IMO right time right place

what  i am saying that in my opinion this type of demo shouldn't be allowed but understand that the way the law is that there isn't anything i can do to change it.

hope this clarifies

I agree it was dreadful, the abuse the Servicemen got.

But Protesting is allowed, it's part of our way of life, & by their very natrure, Protests tend to be hostile. You don't get much "ra ra, well done chaps" at Protests. That's reserved for Rallies.

The troops done good, we all recognize that.

The Protesters had what they saw was good reason to protest - it was their Countries which had been invaded, & they have reason to feel aggrieved.

That juxtaposition is never going to be a tea-party.

We need to see both sides of these things. Seeing both sides, & agreeing with both sides, are different things.

wasnt also british soldiers that were being abused so have not the brits at your poker table last night the right to feel aggrieved?

it isnt there country no more, they choose to live here nobody makes them.

[thetank]

no saying i agree with either just playing devils advocaat

be careful, we won't be issuing too many Warninks

   lol

[turny]

no saying i agree with either just playing devils advocaat

be careful, we won't be issuing too many Warninks

   lol

lol very good please excuse my awful spelling but you know what i mean

[AndrewT]

no saying i agree with either just playing devils advocaat

be careful, we won't be issuing too many Warninks

Good idea - comments like that should be Verpoorten on here.

[I KNOW IT]

The Protesters had what they saw was good reason to protest - it was their Countries which had been invaded, & they have reason to feel aggrieved.


[/quote]

I thought this was their Country?

[tikay]

no saying i agree with either just playing devils advocaat

be careful, we won't be issuing too many Warninks

Brilliant!