This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[Newmanseye]

Now to another argument as to why it should be allowed which no one seems to have considered. I would argue that this sort of protest is useful to the security services. This small group have made their views known to the nation, they may or may not be genuine hardliners, they may or may not be a real threat to our nation's security, they may or may not move in circles where they encounter people who are a threat. Considering the may or may nots that I've just mentioned I'd be a bit surprised if the security services didn't at least check them out now.

[ ] They needed this protest to ringfence/identify the movers and shakers

The cops, MI5/MI6, special branch etc etc have people deep in these organisations, similar to the way they do in Ireland with Republican and Loyalist organisations and the way they do on the mainland with hard left socialist and right wing extremists.  They give them so much rope, and god forbid they actually facilitate killings, operations etc to keep their operatives water tight.

The shooting of the 2 soldiers othernight and the cop for example anyone here believe that the RIRA/CIRA were capable of carrying out this attack?

[ ] Coincidence that SAS were re-deployed to Ireland last week. 

[lazaroonie]

Now to another argument as to why it should be allowed which no one seems to have considered. I would argue that this sort of protest is useful to the security services. This small group have made their views known to the nation, they may or may not be genuine hardliners, they may or may not be a real threat to our nation's security, they may or may not move in circles where they encounter people who are a threat. Considering the may or may nots that I've just mentioned I'd be a bit surprised if the security services didn't at least check them out now.

[ ] They needed this protest to ringfence/identify the movers and shakers

The cops, MI5/MI6, special branch etc etc have people deep in these organisations, similar to the way they do in Ireland with Republican and Loyalist organisations and the way they do on the mainland with hard left socialist and right wing extremists.  They give them so much rope, and god forbid they actually facilitate killings, operations etc to keep their operatives water tight.

The shooting of the 2 soldiers othernight and the cop for example anyone here believe that the RIRA/CIRA were capable of carrying out this attack?

[ ] Coincidence that SAS were re-deployed to Ireland last week. 

capable of what ? shooting two unarmed men outside an army barracks ? yes I would say that is easily capable.
also, where did you hear that the SAS have been "re-deployed" to Ireland ?

[taximan007]

Is the 'objection' that there was a protest or that it was a protest by Muslims?

[GlasgowBandit]

So it was Britain(in the form of MI5/6/ Special branch etc etc) who shot their own soldiers and police constable in Northern Ireland?? to get it sparked again??

I don't think anyone wants to get "sparked again".  Its all about control.

[phatomch]

lol, the sas never left Ireland.

[GlasgowBandit]

Now to another argument as to why it should be allowed which no one seems to have considered. I would argue that this sort of protest is useful to the security services. This small group have made their views known to the nation, they may or may not be genuine hardliners, they may or may not be a real threat to our nation's security, they may or may not move in circles where they encounter people who are a threat. Considering the may or may nots that I've just mentioned I'd be a bit surprised if the security services didn't at least check them out now.

[ ] They needed this protest to ringfence/identify the movers and shakers

The cops, MI5/MI6, special branch etc etc have people deep in these organisations, similar to the way they do in Ireland with Republican and Loyalist organisations and the way they do on the mainland with hard left socialist and right wing extremists.  They give them so much rope, and god forbid they actually facilitate killings, operations etc to keep their operatives water tight.

The shooting of the 2 soldiers othernight and the cop for example anyone here believe that the RIRA/CIRA were capable of carrying out this attack?

[ ] Coincidence that SAS were re-deployed to Ireland last week. 

capable of what ? shooting two unarmed men outside an army barracks ? yes I would say that is easily capable.
also, where did you hear that the SAS have been "re-deployed" to Ireland ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7927178.stm

[Hairydude]

So it was Britain(in the form of MI5/6/ Special branch etc etc) who shot their own soldiers and police constable in Northern Ireland?? to get it sparked again??

I don't think anyone wants to get "sparked again".  Its all about control.

So who do you reckon shot the British Soldiers???

[GlasgowBandit]

lol, the sas never left Ireland.

[ ] Your wrong.

But lets indulge the thought that they did, when the watchtowers came down and many of the barracks were removed the SAS were supposed to say Slan Abhaile as well.

The Cokes and Contos IMO aren't capable of carrying out an efficient military operation. 

Just maybe, I'm a cynic but given the fact that there has been a lot of presure on the Government of late it comes as no surprise to me that their have been orchestrated events to deflect tensions elsewhere.

[GlasgowBandit]

So it was Britain(in the form of MI5/6/ Special branch etc etc) who shot their own soldiers and police constable in Northern Ireland?? to get it sparked again??

I don't think anyone wants to get "sparked again".  Its all about control.

So who do you reckon shot the British Soldiers???

I think dissident republicans were certainly behind it but I would think they were supported by their handlers.  The organisation who have claimed responsibility for it probably have more touts, MI5 operatives than they do active volunteers.

As I said above maybe I'm just a bit cynical, but this sort of stuff ic copy book.

[Hairydude]

So in your opinion; ultimately Britain/ British Government were behind it??

[GlasgowBandit]

Is the 'objection' that there was a protest or that it was a protest by Muslims?

I would think that this has a major bearing for some.   Some people I would suggest are patriotic to the extent that they see an attack like this on the British Army as an attack on the country.

I support the right of anyone to protest, but I think the protestors, the cops and those within the councils who grant permission for protests and counter protests have to be very careful on how the police these sort of things.

Geo said earlier on in his post that the regiment who marched through Luton were local and the march was a "thank you" to the people of the are who supported the troops when they were on duty.  The local authority, obviously allowed this parade to go ahead.  I think it was irresponsible to do so, given the current climate and the present make-up of that area.  As much as I opposed the war in Iraq I acknowledge that the soldiers are entitled to a show of appreciation, but I don't think this was the correct place to do it.

[Geo the Sarge]

lol, the sas never left Ireland.

[ ] Your wrong.

But lets indulge the thought that they did, when the watchtowers came down and many of the barracks were removed the SAS were supposed to say Slan Abhaile as well.

The Cokes and Contos IMO aren't capable of carrying out an efficient military operation. 

Just maybe, I'm a cynic but given the fact that there has been a lot of presure on the Government of late it comes as no surprise to me that their have been orchestrated events to deflect tensions elsewhere.

[ ] The special recconaisssance regiment are the SAS.

There have been many incidents in the past few years since the GFA, shootings at police and bomb attempts. These recent incidents are high profile because people have actually died and this cannot be kept low key as the various incidents over the last couple of years have been.

Geo

[GlasgowBandit]

So in your opinion; ultimately Britain/ British Government were behind it??

I'll leave it open for people to discuss.  But I believe that their are rogue elements at work.  How high that goes I dunno mate.

[Hairydude]

nice sidestep- its ok think I've got the Gist of it(your opinion) anyway!

[GlasgowBandit]

lol, the sas never left Ireland.

[ ] Your wrong.

But lets indulge the thought that they did, when the watchtowers came down and many of the barracks were removed the SAS were supposed to say Slan Abhaile as well.

The Cokes and Contos IMO aren't capable of carrying out an efficient military operation. 

Just maybe, I'm a cynic but given the fact that there has been a lot of presure on the Government of late it comes as no surprise to me that their have been orchestrated events to deflect tensions elsewhere.

[ ] The special recconaisssance regiment are the SAS.

Sheep in wolves clothing mate

There have been many incidents in the past few years since the GFA, shootings at police and bomb attempts. These recent incidents are high profile because people have actually died and this cannot be kept low key as the various incidents over the last couple of years have been.

100% agree, but the dissident groupings and their supporters are claiming this as a major military operation.  I don't believe that these groups are capable of such attacks on their own.    I like a good conspiracy though

Geo