Big Slick £300. In the money 2 chip leaders collide

[Blatch]

Cos - What are the other players at the table like?

When you open are you getting it through? Have you re popped this guy many a time before? What happened?

If it quite an easy style table id be tempted to flat and then check fold the flop if he fires with me missing.  I dont want to create a big pot OOP when im in a good tourney position with easier chips at the table.

[pokerfan]

3 bet light to induce 4 bet then 5 bet smash it. Win the tourney right here when he flips JJ .

[GreekStein]

Ok thanks for responses so far guys.

Here's to part 2 where I made a fucking hash of it all. I don't think I've played a hand this bad in months.

I 3-bet to 42k and he responded by making it 92k. I had no real previous with the guy but he was definitely the most active at the table and he was bluffing a fair bit. It was probably a little too easy for us both to run the table over in turns which I think semi explains my thinking behind why I did what I did next - I wasn't going to let this guy run me over.

Instead of 5-bet smashing or passing which is what I think I should have done I flatted. Still seething as to why I did that but anyway....

Flop comes AJ2

Plan?

[George2Loose]

Ok thanks for responses so far guys.

Here's to part 2 where I made a fucking hash of it all. I don't think I've played a hand this bad in months.

I 3-bet to 42k and he responded by making it 92k. I had no real previous with the guy but he was definitely the most active at the table and he was bluffing a fair bit. It was probably a little too easy for us both to run the table over in turns which I think semi explains my thinking behind why I did what I did next - I wasn't going to let this guy run me over.

Instead of 5-bet smashing or passing which is what I think I should have done I flatted. Still seething as to why I did that but anyway....

Flop comes AJ2

Plan?

good game

[boldie]

Ok thanks for responses so far guys.

Here's to part 2 where I made a fucking hash of it all. I don't think I've played a hand this bad in months.

I 3-bet to 42k and he responded by making it 92k. I had no real previous with the guy but he was definitely the most active at the table and he was bluffing a fair bit. It was probably a little too easy for us both to run the table over in turns which I think semi explains my thinking behind why I did what I did next - I wasn't going to let this guy run me over.

Instead of 5-bet smashing or passing which is what I think I should have done I flatted. Still seething as to why I did that but anyway....

Flop comes AJ2

Plan?

good game

this...get your coat and go home...nothing more to do..chips go in now.

Like you said; Flatting his 92k bet is VERY bad.

Pre I prefer to flat but the re-raise is obv fine. (I see Tank's point about just folding it but I just can't have that myself)

[outragous76]

Missed the 1st round but i would have flatted and played a small pot

Obv your line is puke worthy - but you shouldnt compound mistakes.

The ONLY hand you are beating is A10 & KK & QQ  - and he doesnt re pop pre with A10

I honestly check fold the flop if he bets.

If it goes ck ck - you need to play cautiously as he can still have AA. I would ck call a turn - and there is no way he bets a river with KK or QQ

You still have 300k behind if you let the hand go - you could claim you had TT if you feel the need to save face?!?!?!??!?!

i guess you ck jammed by your 'tone' in the post and he has AK

[George2Loose]

It's probably even more puke worthy and he has AJ

There is now way I'm flatting a 95k bet to fold on an A high flop. I think check folding now would be worse than the call of the 4 bet pre.

[MANTIS01]

I think villain's prob done enough to win the pot pre. Now we're in this situation I would lead for 99k.

[boldie]

Ok thanks for responses so far guys.

Here's to part 2 where I made a fucking hash of it all. I don't think I've played a hand this bad in months.

I 3-bet to 42k and he responded by making it 92k. I had no real previous with the guy but he was definitely the most active at the table and he was bluffing a fair bit. It was probably a little too easy for us both to run the table over in turns which I think semi explains my thinking behind why I did what I did next - I wasn't going to let this guy run me over.

Instead of 5-bet smashing or passing which is what I think I should have done I flatted. Still seething as to why I did that but anyway....

Flop comes AJ2

Plan?

good game

this...get your coat and go home...nothing more to do..chips go in now.

Like you said; Flatting his 92k bet is VERY bad.

Pre I prefer to flat but the re-raise is obv fine. (I see Tank's point about just folding it but I just can't have that myself)

oopppppppppps...didn't read stack size properly...you have 390k so still 300k back....makes it a bit trickier IMO.

I do check it over to him so he can bet into me.

[mike saban]

as played

two decisions

- check, fold to bet, still got 300K left, plenty of time to grow
- allin, you'll be happy to take the 180 odd K, there and then, making you chip leader

I probably choose to push and pass him the decision, if he's got JJ or worse, 22, thats life.

[LeKnave]

- allin, you'll be happy to take the 180 odd K, there and then, making you chip leader

I probably choose to push and pass him the decision, if he's got JJ or worse, 22, thats life.

n1, turn AQ into a bluff on AJx.

[mike saban]

- allin, you'll be happy to take the 180 odd K, there and then, making you chip leader

I probably choose to push and pass him the decision, if he's got JJ or worse, 22, thats life.

n1, turn AQ into a bluff on AJx.

What do you recommend ? no right or wrong answer is there, just my opinion as played because of the following:

1) potentially he's got a big hand due to the raise, reraise, reraise however its unlikely to be AA, youve got 1 and there's one on the flop, of course its possible but odds against so top pair likely to be good

2) if you check, he's likely to bet at least 3/4 pot which is half your stack, he could do this with KK, QQ, so unlikely you'll call half stack with 1 pair 2nd best kicker, so you could be laying down best hand

3) if you bet potentially 3/4 pot that leaves you with 1/3 stack, what now if reraise all in ?

4) if you push, only going to be called by, AA, JJ, AJ, A2, 22, maybe AK, more times than not your ahead

5) finally, I'm using this board as learning curve and find this situation interesting so I don't mind being totally wrong and looking an idiot currently as long as I pick something up and and take it onboard at the end of it, but thats what I think is the best play at the mo.

[George2Loose]

- allin, you'll be happy to take the 180 odd K, there and then, making you chip leader

I probably choose to push and pass him the decision, if he's got JJ or worse, 22, thats life.

n1, turn AQ into a bluff on AJx.

What do you recommend ? no right or wrong answer is there, just my opinion as played because of the following:

1) potentially he's got a big hand due to the raise, reraise, reraise however its unlikely to be AA, youve got 1 and there's one on the flop, of course its possible but odds against so top pair likely to be good

2) if you check, he's likely to bet at least 3/4 pot which is half your stack, he could do this with KK, QQ, so unlikely you'll call half stack with 1 pair 2nd best kicker, so you could be laying down best hand

3) if you bet potentially 3/4 pot that leaves you with 1/3 stack, what now if reraise all in ?

4) if you push, only going to be called by, AA, JJ, AJ, A2, 22, maybe AK, more times than not your ahead

5) finally, I'm using this board as learning curve and find this situation interesting so I don't mind being totally wrong and looking an idiot currently as long as I pick something up and and take it onboard at the end of it, but thats what I think is the best play at the mo.

Mike fair play for using this board as a learning curve. I think what LeKnave is saying is- what does shoving here achieve? Why are you shoving this flop?

[LeKnave]

- allin, you'll be happy to take the 180 odd K, there and then, making you chip leader

I probably choose to push and pass him the decision, if he's got JJ or worse, 22, thats life.

n1, turn AQ into a bluff on AJx.

What do you recommend ? no right or wrong answer is there, just my opinion as played because of the following:

1) potentially he's got a big hand due to the raise, reraise, reraise however its unlikely to be AA, youve got 1 and there's one on the flop, of course its possible but odds against so top pair likely to be good

2) if you check, he's likely to bet at least 3/4 pot which is half your stack, he could do this with KK, QQ, so unlikely you'll call half stack with 1 pair 2nd best kicker, so you could be laying down best hand

3) if you bet potentially 3/4 pot that leaves you with 1/3 stack, what now if reraise all in ?

4) if you push, only going to be called by, AA, JJ, AJ, A2, 22, maybe AK, more times than not your ahead

5) finally, I'm using this board as learning curve and find this situation interesting so I don't mind being totally wrong and looking an idiot currently as long as I pick something up and and take it onboard at the end of it, but thats what I think is the best play at the mo.

Mike fair play for using this board as a learning curve. I think what LeKnave is saying is- what does shoving here achieve? Why are you shoving this flop?

indeed.  open shoving the flop is just going to make him fold every hand we beat and call with every hand that beats us. 

both check calling + check shoving the flop are much better as we have to assume hes going to bet his whole range meaning we get that extra money from when we do have him beat.

[outragous76]

- allin, you'll be happy to take the 180 odd K, there and then, making you chip leader

I probably choose to push and pass him the decision, if he's got JJ or worse, 22, thats life.

n1, turn AQ into a bluff on AJx.

4) if you push, only going to be called by, AA, JJ, AJ, A2, 22, maybe AK, more times than not your ahead

Surely all of those hand except A2 and 22 are so much of his range pre along with KK QQ TT

shoving achieves nothing here. you only get called if you are beat. You are prob still top 10 in chips if you can get to a show down.