What would a Shrewdie do?

[chrisbruce]

Decision 1


Boss 100k Gtd  the bubble has just burst and with 55 players left I am chipleader with 130k.

Average chips 50k blinds 1500/3000 with a running ante of 300

I have just moved to this table and have no reads / info on villan

Folded to me on the Button and I raisie to 10600 with K J o/s

BB shoves for 50k total - I have to calll 40k into a pot that stands at approx 68k

Based on the fact the BB will be shoving light here should I be calling?

On the basis that I will be shoved on 50% of the time should I just shove 1st and let them decide if they want to call (small blind had a 50k stack also)

should I just fold pre if I am  not going to call a shove.


Decision 2


24 Players left average stack 110k blinds 3k / 6k ante 600

I raise UTG with AK o/s  - to 21k - I am playing 80K

UTG plus 1 min raises me to 38K he is also playing about 80k!!!!!

what now?

[GreekStein]

In the first hand, the size of the open is horrible. 2.5x>>>>>>>>>>>3.5x.

[MANTIS01]

Decision 1 - Don't like your thinking. Just moved to a new table with no info/reads and you know you will be shoved on 50% of the time & bb will be shoving his average stack light. Where does all that info come from? GreekStein is right about raise size cos your stack works for you here. I think getting 50k in with K-J at a new table is very spewy. Fold for me. Pushing is horrible.

Decision 2 - You have less than an average stack now and A-K. How can you debate calling an average stack all-in with K-J in hand 1 and pushing less than an average stack all-in with A-K in hand 2?

[TheChipPrince]

1 - I would raise to 8500ish/fold to a shove...

2 - Shove pre, any flat calls and we have awkward flop decisions the 70% of the time we miss.  As played we have to dance with him, if he turns over and shows us KK now we have the odds to call...

[chrisbruce]

1. Ok I take on board the opening raise size info and will adjust my opening raise accordingly in the future.
I did fold and yes it should have cost me less.

2. The mini raise really spooked me and in the end having tanked it,  for his stack size and mine I could only see a player doing it with AA / KK. Nothing else makes sense.

I folded again


The problem I have is at this stage of the tournament there is so much re shoving going on it is difficult to know how light to call. If I reduce the size of my opening raise this will help me get away with less damage.

[thetank]

Get it in with the second hand. Not deep enough to raise-fold AKo pre

[EvilPie]

1 - Raise to about 8k. 10.6k looks too much like a steal and invites the shove imo.

You say it's 50 50 that someone will shove when you raise here. By raising small with the intention of passing you get to change this percentage for next time which may help future decisions.

As played I don't mind a call. There's enough in the pot that you've not made a huge mistake unless you're up against AA. Chances are that you're up against a pair or some random ace so not a big underdog.

If you've run in to AK, AJ KK or QQ you're still not exactly drawing dead.

2 - Min raise again. Snap his shove.

[thetank]

After reading this thread, I think I'm going to widen the range which I limp-min3bet UTG when 12BBs deep.

It was previously at 0%

[action man]

raise to 8k hand 1, or is SB is shorter than BB open shove.

hand 2, get it in!

[chrisbruce]

I am probably contradicting myself here but the reason I raise with AK as oppose to an open shove is because I am hoping for a reraise from a hand I have dominated. i.e. A Q / A J

Even with that said I still think it was a good pass..........I think I might be in the minority here

[thetank]

I am probably contradicting myself here but the reason I raise with AK as oppose to an open shove is because I am hoping for a reraise from a hand I have dominated. i.e. A Q / A J

Even with that said I still think it was a good pass..........I think I might be in the minority here

Green = good thinking
Red = bad thinking

[outragous76]

Obv raise less - thats been done to death

Hand 1 - easy/trivial fold - obv if you have raised less you are even less inclinded to call!

Hand 2 - i dont mind the open raise (2.5x thou) - but am never folding this hand. I wouldnt even pass if i got flatted and the flop came raggy with your stack.

With hand 2 your thinking is right - you want people to get it in with the worst - which is why i dont mind the open raise rather than the shove - it gives people more oppotunity to think they can reshove. In late position (c/o/button/sb) - i would probably open shove just to make it look like a blind steal and induce calls from Ax.

[action man]

i meant shove the first hand, if chris's reply is due to my comment. If SB has less than BB i shove 1st hand.

2nd hand, raise/call is fine

you seem to be levelling yourself here chris.

[MANTIS01]

I am probably contradicting myself here but the reason I raise with AK as oppose to an open shove is because I am hoping for a reraise from a hand I have dominated. i.e. A Q / A J

Even with that said I still think it was a good pass..........I think I might be in the minority here

The reason you don't shove is to induce a raise and when that raise comes you fold. Yep.

EvilPie, I don't think the K-J is just about the pot odds, although I think the chances you're dominated alone would be enough for me to fold this. It's just win or lose the other players will see you land at the table and immediately get 50k in with K-J. This means you'll get tagged as spewy and prob face jams from A-x or pairs anytime you open and means you'll have lost control of the table....so you'll have to nit up and wait for a hand...which isn't playing to the strength of the big stack. I think that's more of a mistake than calling in isolation....which is still a mistake imo.

[Royal Flush]

Interesting.

Your raise sizing in bot hands is obviously terrible, already been hit upon by everyone.

The first hand, if you think you get shoved on 50% then its 25% ranges for the blinds and you are 44% against that range so you obv snap with your hand in the air. Raising and then not knowing what to do when you get shoved on here is obviously terrible.

The second hand is a level people wake up.