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« on: May 20, 2009, 01:03:42 PM »

First post on PHA guys, so i'm sorry if its a little bit long winded!

I've been playing for about 2 hours, with a TAG reputation. Steadily increased my stack to 3-4 times what i bought in for. Anyways, table is pretty mixed- 1 or 2 action players that love straddling and betting at every pot but mostly pretty standard players. Most dangerous player (villain) at the table has accumulated a massive stack (>£600). I've won two big pots off him, both times with AK- once hitting the flop, once not. Anyways, my mate gets knocked out of a tourny so I tell myself this is my last hand. I've got about £200 in front of me, pretty much the same as most of the other players. Villian is a good player, capable of creative plays and good reads and isn't happy i've won two pots off him without showing either time.

Dealt to me UTG+2 and I see   

Raise to £9, folded around to button who flat calls, bb (villain) calls.

Flop:   

It goes check, I bet £18, fold, flat call (BB). I'm thinking maybe hiding a set, flush draw poss or he's got some K10 kind of hand.

Turn: 

Check, I bet £40, he thinks for a while, asks me how much I've got and pushes me all-in. Now i'm thinking maybe he is on the flush draw, can't really put him on AQ or something. Gut instinct is that he after the flop he knew he would check-raise all-in on the turn. I think about the above for a minute before calling.

What do you guys think of my play here? Would you have folded?
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 01:25:49 PM »

I of course play lower stakes than your good self. But I did play in a 2/2 game with the same kind of characters as you described a year or so ago. Given his actions I would call here. If he has a set and has outplayed you so be it, but I can't see him being ahead enough of the time to make folding a viable option.

Hope you won the hand Smiley I'm sure we'll know in due course.!
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 04:01:46 PM »

Beat him into the pot... and reload when he hits....
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2009, 04:23:49 PM »

These sorts of questions really are very hard to answer without being at the table with villain and getting a feel on how they are playing etc.

If he's good then he should have us beat here as I wouldn't expect a live player to lay down an overpair on that board with £70 of their initial £200 in the pot. Do we think he'd make a move on a tag player who has only shown down a connected AK and who's raised UTG in this hand? Prob not I suspect.

That said it's not unfeasable that he has  / - I just wouldn't expect him to do anything other than call you down here with either of these two (unless you have a strong feel he thinks he could make you lay AA/KK on a board like this as you're hand is pretty face up imo).

In short, in a live cash game I don't hate either option here though I prob advocate a pass. If you were a lag player I would be getting it in.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 04:35:43 PM »

Decide before you bet.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 04:43:21 PM »

Decide before you bet.

Agree with this. I would probably either check the turn or bet/snap call.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 04:45:58 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 02:00:50 AM »

he shows  , opinions now?
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 02:05:48 AM »

2 words live poker.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 06:57:17 AM »

he shows  , opinions now?
i think you lost the pot
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 07:02:25 AM »

he shows  , opinions now?

Fold
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 07:27:19 AM »

not being results orientated but i def fold turn in this sort of environment. i would have checked behind turn aswell
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 09:14:51 AM »

not being results orientated but i def fold turn in this sort of environment. i would have checked behind turn aswell

Betting the turn is fine but only with the plan to snap the shove.

It did look like 2 pair though obv would have thought 2 pair.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 01:53:48 PM »

"Villain is a good player, capable of creative plays"

.....mmmm, calling from the BB with  is certainly creative.

Normally I would say that as described he is a fishy luckbox. But if a player has a reliable read that you have a big pair then (if he is deepstacked and so are you) he can pretty much call with any two cards. There are plenty of cash players who take this line.

I just wonder if he had some kind of tell on you? Did he know this was your last hand? Were you so tight that you could only be raising UTG with such a hand?

..and as someone said, this is live poker, so nothing should surprise you. Also, just because he has a big stack doesn't mean a thing. It's how he accumulated it that is relevant.
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 10:45:58 PM »

Pyso, i like your line of thinking. He did say before my hand was flipped over, "you got aces?" - at which point I knew I was beat. I guess raise more pre? bet stronger the flop? check behind on the turn after a flat call on flop?


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