river. Call?fold

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river. Call?fold

« on: July 21, 2009, 10:36:03 PM »

Full Tilt Poker Game #13535266949: $50,000 Guarantee (98954212), Table 41 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:27:11 ET - 2009/07/21
Seat 1: Mind Yo Bidn3ss (5,470)
Seat 2: Tmay420 (7,135)
Seat 3: sslibby5 (5,990)
Seat 4: TheClaimer (13,415)
Seat 5: Shelack (5,147)
Seat 6: dharma1 (14,182)
Seat 7: sinsta6969 (5,305)
Seat 8: jordankickz (28,595)
Seat 9: mestrefilipe (3,785)
Mind Yo Bidn3ss antes 25
Tmay420 antes 25
sslibby5 antes 25
TheClaimer antes 25
Shelack antes 25
dharma1 antes 25
sinsta6969 antes 25
jordankickz antes 25
mestrefilipe antes 25
mestrefilipe posts the small blind of 150
Mind Yo Bidn3ss posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheClaimer [

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Tmay420 folds
sslibby5 folds
TheClaimer has 15 seconds left to act
TheClaimer raises to 825
Shelack folds
dharma1 folds
sinsta6969 folds
jordankickz calls 825
mestrefilipe has 15 seconds left to act
mestrefilipe folds
Mind Yo Bidn3ss folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah

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TheClaimer checks
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz checks
*** TURN *** [Ah

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mestrefilipe has been disconnected
mestrefilipe has reconnected
TheClaimer bets 1,800
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz calls 1,800
*** RIVER *** [Ah

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TheClaimer bets 3,300
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz raises to 25,945, and is all in
TheClaimer has 15 seconds left to act
TheClaimer: ffs
TheClaimer has requested TIME
TheClaimer: what is this
mestrefilipe has been disconnected
mestrefilipe has reconnected
mestrefilipe has been disconnected
mestrefilipe has reconnected


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 10:44:02 PM »

He eithr has the nuts or air imo. I'm leaning towards folding although it's tough to put him on a precise hand aprt from quad fives or

full.

Any history? Is he capable of bluffing here knowing you have to fold almost any ace?

Also if I were mestrefilipe i'd be ringing my broadband company


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 10:52:24 PM »

Thats tough!!


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 11:15:45 PM »

does kickz ever jam light here?

I know he quite aggro but always thought he quite abc


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 11:29:32 PM »

Quote from: action man on July 21, 2009, 10:36:03 PM

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Tmay420 folds
sslibby5 folds
TheClaimer has 15 seconds left to act
TheClaimer raises to 825
Shelack folds
dharma1 folds
sinsta6969 folds
jordankickz calls 825
mestrefilipe has 15 seconds left to act
mestrefilipe folds
Mind Yo Bidn3ss folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah

]
TheClaimer checks
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz checks
*** TURN *** [Ah

] [

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mestrefilipe has been disconnected
mestrefilipe has reconnected
TheClaimer bets 1,800
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz calls 1,800
*** RIVER *** [Ah

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fold. this guy has 55. They always take longer when they flop a monster hand, coz they need to workout how to get paid. Also, ppl dont seem to make river bluffs anymore imo


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 11:32:02 PM »

Quote from: AlexMartin on July 21, 2009, 11:29:32 PM

Quote from: action man on July 21, 2009, 10:36:03 PM

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TheClaimer checks
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz checks
*** TURN *** [Ah

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mestrefilipe has been disconnected
mestrefilipe has reconnected
TheClaimer bets 1,800
jordankickz has 15 seconds left to act
jordankickz calls 1,800
*** RIVER *** [Ah

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fold. this guy has 55. They always take longer when they flop a monster hand, coz they need to workout how to get paid. Also, ppl dont seem to make river bluffs anymore imo

Comedy you highlight guy folding pre....


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 11:32:54 PM »

how was the BB playing?

Could he have flatted AA here to induce the squeeze/jam behind?

I think i fold in this spot - too many hands beat you - but dont know the player like flushy seems too. If he is ABC then its a def fold for me


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 11:39:45 PM »

everyone ok with betting the river to extract value from Ax KK/QQ?


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 11:49:39 PM »

Quote from: action man on July 21, 2009, 11:39:45 PM

everyone ok with betting the river to extract value from Ax KK/QQ?

Considering how deep you are is KK/QQ in his calling range pre?

I think against his range check/calling a better line for value? I think if he had AQ/AJ he's going to value bet anyway.


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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 11:52:33 PM »

im check calling here

im prob miss value sometimes - and you are letting him name his price - but he is prob only gonna v bet the nuts - so you prob lose the same -

obv if he overshoves im folding - but it also gives him the chance to bet the missed flush


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 12:04:24 AM »

think this a case of being results orientated tho- in all honesty Im probs leading river


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 12:18:35 AM »

Quote from: outragous76 on July 21, 2009, 11:52:33 PM

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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 12:21:46 AM »

the question of value betting the river or not is whether i think he is capable, or will bluf shove the river.


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 11:46:43 AM »

So there's roughly 12.5k in the pot and it's around 7-7.5k to call

So he has to be bluffing/have Ax like 40% of the time for this call to be profitable.

On this basis I wouldn't blame you for calling with the 2 missed flush draws out there, it just seems like a weird spot to bluff shove in this way. It looks more like the nuts. I think our best chance of being ahead is him having AQ rather than a stone-colder...


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Re: river. Call?fold

« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 12:28:14 PM »

Imo ... its a clear fold, only hands you beating are marginal hands (77-TT and Ax) that he has turned into a bluff (if he even does this) and some occasional random bluffs with complete air... must be a v small part of his range though

A load of draws got there which fit his flop check / turn call line

Nothing wrong with betting river I dont think, there are some worse hands that will call, and you can set your own price rather than having to call a bigger bet

Guess its one where you really need a strong read to justify calling, which you may have?


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