sigh, i got myself in a mess.

[celtic]

£150 pot limit comp at luton last night. 4 tables left. Average 12k. I'm on about 16k, villain 17500. Blinds 400-800. He makes it 2100 from 3rd position, 8 handed. Luton reg but one of the better ones.

I'm otb with 10h and call. Sb & bb fold.

Flop is 10c kh.

He bets 3500.

Is this is a shove? Call with position? or just fold pre?

[celtic]

Will add I've been at the table with him approx 40 mins. He has been involved in 4 hands, the only one that he showed was laying kk on a j 10 9 board to a pot bet from joe grech.

[TightEnd]

Pretty tempted to shove mate..sorry its pot limit...tempted to raise pot thus committing yourself, especially as you know he should be good enough to fold a hand..........

[Cf]

I probably fold pre myself, but now you've seen this flop it's absolute magic.

Shove/pot it. Don't forget to put one hand in the air.

[Longy]

Fold pre you are too shallow to be calling here, lack of implied odds, not closing the action etc.

As played raise a pot committing amount, with the aim of getting it in. Flush draw and a pair is massive here.

[gatso]

Pretty tempted to shove mate..sorry its pot limit...tempted to raise pot thus committing yourself, especially as you know he should be good enough to fold a hand..........

pot is big enough to shove here rich

gotta do it but don't understand the call pre

[outragous76]

i ship ( i think you have about 900 back but obv never passing)

my only concern is that he didnt raise the pot pre or posr flop which is unusual - what raise did he make with the kk?

I also think you can call this pre in pot limit with position unlike those above

[Eck]

I probably fold pre myself, but now you've seen this flop it's absolute magic.

Shove/pot it. Don't forget to put one hand in the air.

Too shallow and miss too many flops to be calling imo so fold pre but now we have called it couldn't have came out much better so pot it imo.  

[TightEnd]

Pretty tempted to shove mate..sorry its pot limit...tempted to raise pot thus committing yourself, especially as you know he should be good enough to fold a hand..........

pot is big enough to shove here rich

gotta do it but don't understand the call pre

fair enough I hadn't done the sums

p.s Don't likt the call pre either, but thought that was me being nitty.

[action man]

fold pre!

once you called, what flop exactly are you looking for, if u dont feel comfortable playing suited conns post-flop fold them preflop

[outragous76]

i dont think this is too shallow in pot limit - he has 20bbs - and there are no antes (obv wont be) - therefore he is effectively deeper

you will see alot of pot limit players calling these type of hands in this spot with position

[AlexMartin]

Fold pre you are too shallow to be calling here, lack of implied odds, not closing the action etc.

As played raise a pot committing amount, with the aim of getting it in. Flush draw and a pair is massive here.

+1 fold pre for all those reasons.

Also, wtf u flop gin and are not 100% happy to go w pair+fd with this pot to stack ratio? dance monkey dance!!

[MC]

Fold pre you are too shallow to be calling here, lack of implied odds, not closing the action etc.

As played raise a pot committing amount, with the aim of getting it in. Flush draw and a pair is massive here.

^^Agree with this completely

[Royal Flush]

i dont think this is too shallow in pot limit - he has 20bbs - and there are no antes (obv wont be) - therefore he is effectively deeper

you will see alot of pot limit players calling these type of hands in this spot with position

level?

[MANTIS01]

Too shallow to call pre. Raise flop. Wait. Has someone said that already?