Simple hand, but did i allow the pot to get out of control

[GreekStein]

great thread, I know this is vague question for the MTT guys but what hands if any would u 3-bet with this early in this type of tournament?

In this situation i would 3b approx 0% of my range.

Whats ur reasoning behind this if u dont mind? Apart from the above thread :p

The usual continuation range of the UTG opener (and by 'continuation' I mean call to play the hand not just to set mine or flop TPTK) is AA or KK. So, even if you have AA or KK - flatting will yield the most value over the long run in this situation.

As a tournament progresses, things will change drastically and you can start playing more aggressively as a result. But if you aren't making significant adjustments at the start of a deepstacked (and relatively expensive) live MTT you are essentially lighting money on fire.

Oh dear, you've been basing your whole analysis on villain opening UTG when the most basic fact in this hand is villain opens for 150 from mid-way round the table. It amuses me that you've flamed my contribution to this hand when you are struggling to get to grips with even the most basic elements. The idea that you actually felt your start advice to be good is a genuinely perplexing one. DUCY?

So you saying your advice is > than Lloyds Mantis?

[hatthehole]

edit: I flat with AK here because its what pab and moorman would both do.

[MANTIS01]

great thread, I know this is vague question for the MTT guys but what hands if any would u 3-bet with this early in this type of tournament?

In this situation i would 3b approx 0% of my range.

Whats ur reasoning behind this if u dont mind? Apart from the above thread :p

The usual continuation range of the UTG opener (and by 'continuation' I mean call to play the hand not just to set mine or flop TPTK) is AA or KK. So, even if you have AA or KK - flatting will yield the most value over the long run in this situation.

As a tournament progresses, things will change drastically and you can start playing more aggressively as a result. But if you aren't making significant adjustments at the start of a deepstacked (and relatively expensive) live MTT you are essentially lighting money on fire.

Oh dear, you've been basing your whole analysis on villain opening UTG when the most basic fact in this hand is villain opens for 150 from mid-way round the table. It amuses me that you've flamed my contribution to this hand when you are struggling to get to grips with even the most basic elements. The idea that you actually felt your start advice to be good is a genuinely perplexing one. DUCY?

So you saying your advice is > than Lloyds Mantis?

My advice is to resist entering a thread on this board simply to flame a fellow member. If you can't resist that temptation you should at least get the basic facts right. I'm not sure if that advice is better or worse than anybody else's but it's certainly solid enough.

[kinboshi]

Just caught up with this - only one point to make


I AINT THAT FKIN OLD!

Gl

This post needs some love.

[bolt pp]

Loving the irony of the first two words in the title 9 pages later................

[AlexMartin]

Im still not convinced flat calling with a hand that makes toptop so easily and inviting multiway action is super smart when we crush so many holdings is right all the time. I mean sure deffo v a lot of abc inline mtt openers (coz we add some deception, keep pots manageable, its early in mtt and we dont go broke w/o the nuts) but against other player types 3betting has to be way more +EV.

Id like pab or moorman to explain their reasoning, would be very interesting, or else the mtt pro's to expand theirs (10 word lines dont really give any insight into why).

[gatso]

annette wrote a good piece on flatting AK here a little while age but I'm struggling to find it, will keep looking

[kinboshi]

annette wrote a good piece on flatting AK here a little while age but I'm struggling to find it, will keep looking

JP might be able to find it for you...