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« on: August 26, 2009, 02:27:53 PM »

Live cash game, 50p/£1. We're 6-handed and it's getting late.

Hero (who is pretty wasted having been out drinking since 1pm) has about £110.
Villian 1 has everyone easily covered. He is a TAG player. For anyone who plays in Leeds this villian is Justin.
Villian 2 has a similar stack to me. This villian seems to be a standard live cash donk.

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Hero opens UTG to £5 with TT.
Villian 1 raises on the button to £18.
SB folds, and Villian 2 flat calls from the big blind.

Hero ??
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 02:43:36 PM »

Well stack sizes are pretty important here, it seems like you just don't have the odds to call to set-mine.  A re-raise is out of the question as you are clearly dominated or flipping vs the TAG 3bet range.  So the question is, do you want to play a three-bet pot Vs a TAG out of position where you are (generally) 7.5-1 to continue in the hand after the flop and you can hit flops that could have you drawing to one out because of the BB's flatting range.  Even if you hit the flop the strongest you might not get paid, if the TAG is could then he will be more than capable of laying down Aces to you on the Flop/Turn. It's gonna be incredibly difficult to hit a flop that gets you fully paid by both of the villains and seems -ev in the long run.  However, if I had been drinking then I would def flat and hope to flop quads.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 04:08:31 PM »

I don’t think many cash game regulars are passing here for the following reasons:

All three players have over 100 big blinds, and you are capping the betting. The pot is offering you just over 3 to 1 (ok you need 7.5 to 1 to set mine but your implied odds are good here if, a) the BB is weak, b) the button really has a hand and c) never mind implied odds, your tens may currently be best).

The table is six max, meaning that the button can 3-bet with a wide range here. If he is decent and you seem to hint that he is, then he can do this with hands that you are currently beating. On a nine seat table this is an easier pass, but given the way you have described the action I think most players call here. I don’t think re-raising achieves much, other than giving him a chance to put you all-in. In a tournament maybe you can shove here, but this is a cash game and the dynamics are very different indeed.

Another way of looking at the call as being a good play is the fact that you cannot be squeezed, because your position on the pre-flop raiser ensures this. If you flop big and check to the raiser (who will bet), you will be able to either re-raise immediately or call to get more money in on the turn (of course this depends on the texture of the flop and how strong you read your opponent to be when he c-bets). Equally if you miss, you let it go. This is why your position preflop is better than initially it seems.

Passing is too tight (and I say that as one of the tightest live tags out there).
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009, 04:27:58 PM »

It's £13 more into £42 with £92 back.

I reckon a call is fine here.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2009, 04:49:30 PM »

Cawl and flop a set or 789. Relative position/stack sizes ftw.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2009, 05:09:41 PM »

Cawl and flop a set or 789. Relative position/stack sizes ftw.

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also, playing drunk then asking for analysis. superb leveeeeeel.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 05:11:25 PM »

If I'm drunk this is a shove pre
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2009, 05:19:02 PM »

Call then fold.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2009, 05:23:33 PM »

Call then fold.

with a flop in between or immediately following each other pf? I guess the levels of alcohol affect this decision
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2009, 05:34:31 PM »

Call then fold.

with a flop in between or immediately following each other pf? I guess the levels of alcohol affect this decision

Normally I'd wait for the AK3 flop and the all-in from the BB before folding, but yes, there are definitely merits to open folding pre-flop after making the call - but only when really drunk.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2009, 05:35:23 PM »

Call then fold.

with a flop in between or immediately following each other pf? I guess the levels of alcohol affect this decision

Normally I'd wait for the AK3 flop before folding, but yes, there are definitely merits to open folding pre-flop after making the call - but only when really drunk.

yeah, gotta balance your spew-fold range imo
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2009, 07:15:51 PM »

If I'm drunk this is a shove pre

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2009, 09:28:16 PM »

Call then muck before the flop is dealt.

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2009, 03:12:39 AM »

Call then muck before the flop is dealt.


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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2009, 05:55:58 AM »

peel and prey.
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