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« on: August 28, 2009, 04:24:03 AM »

Villain is a semireg pretty aggro player, 30/25 , low 3bet but a bit funky. We have had some history that has involved him calling 3bets then donking into me?? he won one by donkbet/3bet jamming when i had air and folded to my raise another time. Knows im sometimes out of line.

To the hand in q, i expect to get raised here v rarely and felt sick. Thoughts ppl.




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NL $2.50/$5 Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 28, 01:36:03 GMT 2009
Table Nitrogen 181 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: ExploitCaf ( $712.68 )
Seat 2: theKEYMAKER ( $438.75 )
Seat 3: Tevje ( $1,314.41 )
Seat 4: JammyJenny ( $870.55 )
Seat 5: dinoz56 ( $274.27 )
Seat 6: PiStOlPeTeR ( $646.85 )
theKEYMAKER posts small blind [$2.50]
Tevje posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [ , ]
JammyJenny raises to [$17.50]
dinoz56 folds
PiStOlPeTeR folds
ExploitCaf calls [$17.50]
theKEYMAKER folds
Tevje folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , Ah ]
JammyJenny bets [$32]
ExploitCaf calls [$32]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
JammyJenny bets [$79.87]
ExploitCaf calls [$79.87]
** Dealing River ** [ three clubs ]
JammyJenny bets [$219]
ExploitCaf goes all-in
ExploitCaf raises to [$583.31]
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 04:35:23 AM »

Couple of questions...would he shove with a missed fl draw or value shove wit aq/aj?

Firstly i aint a cash player, secondly im snapping him off here.

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 01:37:30 PM »

Wow tough spot. I don't see how he can bluff jam here.

But I don't see too many hands we're losing too, and getting 3 to 1 on a call so this is tough to lay down.

Would he ever button flat call with 24s, 46s or A7s?

Would he ever value jam AQ?

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 02:10:27 PM »

I honestly can't see what you could be beating.

This screams of 55 or 77 to me but then he knows that so could easily be repping it.

Do you have disconnection protection on these tables?

Can't you just unplug your phone line?
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2009, 02:21:16 PM »

Is the river bet too big? Wouldn't $180 ish be better to get him to call with less?

Genuinely stumped by the hand TBH....I probs call and cry.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2009, 03:49:40 PM »

P1tou is one of the few half decent regs in this game which makes this call easier.

PokerStars Game #32152812268:  8-Game (Omaha Pot Limit, $1/$2 USD) - 2009/08/28 10:08:09 ET
Table 'Galene II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: JohnyBlaze34 ($281.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Foaming_H ($196 in chips)
Seat 5: P1tou ($174.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Mark_theFox ($445.10 in chips)
Mark_theFox: posts small blind $1
JohnyBlaze34: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_H [ ]
Foaming_H: raises $5 to $7
P1tou: calls $7
Mark_theFox: folds
JohnyBlaze34: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [ ]
JohnyBlaze34: checks
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
JohnyBlaze34: checks
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: bets $12
JohnyBlaze34: folds
Foaming_H: calls $12
*** RIVER *** [ ] [Two Diamonds]
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: bets $24
Foaming_H: calls $24
*** SHOW DOWN ***
P1tou: shows [ ] (high card King)
Foaming_H: shows [ ] (a pair of Nines)
Foaming_H collected $92 from pot
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2009, 03:55:06 PM »

If he thinks you'd fire the third shell he might be thinking his tens are good? Snap and see....gross if he has As , can't see him flatting the turn with a set or straight unless he has a soul read on AKo!?
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2009, 04:11:03 PM »

P1tou is one of the few half decent regs in this game which makes this call easier has shown no strangth whatsoever in this hand. This, coupled with the fact that it's only $24 to call makes this the most obvious call ever. Don't know about your hand though Alex.

PokerStars Game #32152812268:  8-Game (Omaha Pot Limit, $1/$2 USD) - 2009/08/28 10:08:09 ET
Table 'Galene II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: JohnyBlaze34 ($281.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Foaming_H ($196 in chips)
Seat 5: P1tou ($174.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Mark_theFox ($445.10 in chips)
Mark_theFox: posts small blind $1
JohnyBlaze34: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_H [ ]
Foaming_H: raises $5 to $7
P1tou: calls $7
Mark_theFox: folds
JohnyBlaze34: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [ ]
JohnyBlaze34: checks
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
JohnyBlaze34: checks
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: bets $12
JohnyBlaze34: folds
Foaming_H: calls $12
*** RIVER *** [ ] [Two Diamonds]
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: bets $24
Foaming_H: calls $24
*** SHOW DOWN ***
P1tou: shows [ ] (high card King)
Foaming_H: shows [ ] (a pair of Nines)
Foaming_H collected $92 from pot

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2009, 04:19:21 PM »

P1tou is one of the few half decent regs in this game which makes this call easier has shown no strangth whatsoever in this hand. This, coupled with the fact that it's only $24 to call makes this the most obvious call ever. Don't know about your hand though Alex.

PokerStars Game #32152812268:  8-Game (Omaha Pot Limit, $1/$2 USD) - 2009/08/28 10:08:09 ET
Table 'Galene II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: JohnyBlaze34 ($281.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Foaming_H ($196 in chips)
Seat 5: P1tou ($174.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Mark_theFox ($445.10 in chips)
Mark_theFox: posts small blind $1
JohnyBlaze34: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_H [ ]
Foaming_H: raises $5 to $7
P1tou: calls $7
Mark_theFox: folds
JohnyBlaze34: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [ ]
JohnyBlaze34: checks
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
JohnyBlaze34: checks
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: bets $12
JohnyBlaze34: folds
Foaming_H: calls $12
*** RIVER *** [ ] [Two Diamonds]
Foaming_H: checks
P1tou: bets $24
Foaming_H: calls $24
*** SHOW DOWN ***
P1tou: shows [ ] (high card King)
Foaming_H: shows [ ] (a pair of Nines)
Foaming_H collected $92 from pot

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2009, 04:24:09 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2009, 06:34:24 PM »

I honestly can't see what you could be beating.

This screams of 55 or 77 to me but then he knows that so could easily be repping it.

Do you have disconnection protection on these tables?

Can't you just unplug your phone line?

we are a little bit deeper though, and given villain will probably realise we want to play for stacks, surely he raises the flop or the turn? Maybe im levelling myself thinking that he knows i will go for slightly thin value with decent aces and triple barrel this board with air so he can wait for the river, but i dont think we have that history yet.

I realise i butcered this hand afterwards, is bet/call a better line given that villain probably wont call 3 streets with worse (unless its AQ specifically/sometimes AJ) but has a lot of busted draws.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2009, 01:12:12 AM »

Oops, wrong area Shocked
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2009, 03:10:08 PM »

Oops, wrong area Shocked

Hero call thread possibly?
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2009, 11:07:03 PM »

I'm only calling this on tilt vs a thinking player.

Only hands you beat are:

AQ deciding to make the thinnest shove ever
A flush shoving, but I doubt he will call the turn unless he likes taking the worst of it.
A bluff.

Now, a bluff makes no sense here because he's just called two streets. If he is bluffing here then wp him.
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2009, 01:50:31 AM »

thoughts ppl.

Tevje with a stack, does he ever run bad?
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