3 Barrell Bluff from £300 DTD

[Sam Proffitt]

Ok so take a look at this hand and tell me what you think.

Background info: I have opened UTG twice thus far, once when I had QQ and 4bet/folded pre and showed and he had KK, other time I didnt show but I took it down and strength was obvious. Generally I have a tag image, most people at the table know im decent and I havent shown a bluff. I have bet 3 streets once and showed a turned top 2 pair. Also important to note that I have overbet the river once and showed a straight to take it down.

We are about 6 levels in, I have about 18k blinds are 150/300 with 50 ante i think.

I havent played a hand in a couple of rounds and open UTG with   to 850. Everyone quickly folds around to the button who thinks then calls. V has around 24k in chips and is quite laggy. SB and BB fold.

Flop is   and I c bet 1350. V tanks and calls, he obviously hates it so Im sure he has a weak Q here or possibly something like 88 or TT so my plan is to fire almost all turns.

Turn is  . Given that I was going to fire the turn anyway and that now I have a tons of outs that I want to get value from if I spike, I fire again for 3250. V again tanks, and eventually makes the call. He is screaming weakness again and so my plan is to shove any heart, any card giving me a straight and pretty much anything other than an 8, K or Q.

River is . I move all in and he tanks, counts out the 13k, has it in one hand with his cards in the other and eventually mucks

He later said he had AQ.

Generally in this tournament the format is such that you don’t necessarily need to force the action and go for an all out bluff like this but I think the reason it got through was the previous history, something paramount to think about when making big plays later on in tournaments.

[Pyso]

You got it through, wp, but at the risk of sounding sarcastic, you only needed to wait three hands and you could have opened with any two cards and found the hand a lot easier and stress free.

Having said that, nothing wrong with mixing it up, and you do need to take bluffing opportunities when they arrive. Nobody wins a tournament by folding. (Probably why I play cash lol).

[Pyso]

Oh, and good job you overbet that straight earlier, or he would probably have called. As read, I certainly would have been tempted.

[Sam Proffitt]

You got it through, wp, but at the risk of sounding sarcastic, you only needed to wait three hands and you could have opened with any two cards and found the hand a lot easier and stress free.

Having said that, nothing wrong with mixing it up, and you do need to take bluffing opportunities when they arrive. Nobody wins a tournament by folding. (Probably why I play cash lol).

I cant open on the BTN if its been raised up beforehand Which was often the case tbh and given that a raise from the BTN is so standard ATC nowadays I'm actually doing it less and less and am polarizing my range when i do do it. I chose this spot specifically because it was UTG and I can therefore represent supreme strength when i don't have it and can control the action quite easily.

[mondatoo]

Why show the QQ hand

Although i wouldn't play hand same as villain i'm calling here with AQ,you have a busted draw here so often that it's a definite call for me.I take it you check the turn with aq/kq for pot control ?

[Sam Proffitt]

Why show the QQ hand

Although i wouldn't play hand same as villain i'm calling here with AQ,you have a busted draw here so often that it's a definite call for me.I take it you check the turn with aq/kq for pot control ?

Showed QQ as he said he would show if i did and the info that I was beat is more valuable to me than the info im giving away.

I wouldnt be playing kq utg and my range doesnt really include that many busted draws tbh. I agree AQ calls here more often than not, however if im honest i dont actually believe V had aq, i think q10-kq is much more likely, he was trying to make it seem like he made a bigger fold than it really was imo. mainly because the consensus on the table was that i had QQ or 99.

[Sam Proffitt]

and no im firing the turn 100% with aq/kq fwiw for not giving free drawing card control

[Royal Flush]

Sorry but so much in this thread is just wrong.

I will try and be as nice as possible.

4betting to fold QQ is terrible, what did you expect to happen when you 4b? Showing it is even worse, you gained the info that you are going to do stupid stuff like 4b fold, you got the info his 5b range includes KK....not really a surprise.

You say its 150-300/50 but you are folding KQ UTG, plz dont you should be opening pretty much every unopened pot with antes this high.

Your plan if you made a hand on the river was the same if you missed, this is obviously pretty bad, you think guy has a weak hand that cant call a shove yet you plan to shove if you make your hand?!?!?!

If people keep opening on your btn, then just start 3betting.

Firing the turn with 1 pair combo's OOP and this stack size is usually a bad idea, have a specific plan before you do it.

Hope some of that was helpful, for the record i have never played this comp.

[tikay]

Sorry but so much in this thread is just wrong.

I will try and be as nice as possible.

4betting to fold QQ is terrible, what did you expect to happen when you 4b? Showing it is even worse, you gained the info that you are going to do stupid stuff like 4b fold, you got the info his 5b range includes KK....not really a surprise.

You say its 150-300/50 but you are folding KQ UTG, plz dont you should be opening pretty much every unopened pot with antes this high.

Your plan if you made a hand on the river was the same if you missed, this is obviously pretty bad, you think guy has a weak hand that cant call a shove yet you plan to shove if you make your hand?!?!?!

If people keep opening on your btn, then just start 3betting.

Firing the turn with 1 pair combo's OOP and this stack size is usually a bad idea, have a specific plan before you do it.

Hope some of that was helpful, for the record i have never played this comp.

This could start a trend.....

[Dewi_cool]

one off imo

[Sam Proffitt]

Sorry but so much in this thread is just wrong.

I will try and be as nice as possible.

4betting to fold QQ is terrible, what did you expect to happen when you 4b? Showing it is even worse, you gained the info that you are going to do stupid stuff like 4b fold, you got the info his 5b range includes KK....not really a surprise.

You say its 150-300/50 but you are folding KQ UTG, plz dont you should be opening pretty much every unopened pot with antes this high.

Your plan if you made a hand on the river was the same if you missed, this is obviously pretty bad, you think guy has a weak hand that cant call a shove yet you plan to shove if you make your hand?!?!?!

If people keep opening on your btn, then just start 3betting.

Firing the turn with 1 pair combo's OOP and this stack size is usually a bad idea, have a specific plan before you do it.

Hope some of that was helpful, for the record i have never played this comp.

Open pretty much every unopened pot UTG? well this makes my range kinda obvious tbh ducy?

When you are 150bb deep, early in a big deepstack tourney, 4bet folding is not terrible. I lost 20% of my chips in a spot where any other line loses you 50-100% and i will never ever agree otherwise. Showing it was purely on the basis of confirming that he had kk/aa because if not i could spend quite a while tilting myself thinking iv done the wrong thing and in a toruney im not keen on wasting time second guessing myself. i.e. the 'info' was that i made the right read on him, which also is something i can use in future. do you even play live poker? probably not from the way youre talking.

How can you ever say what someones range should be UTG or otherwise? so dumb, it obviously totally depends on your image and table etc etc etc I'm looking to polarize my range UTG as well as my 3betting range, if you dont play that way then fine but saying its bad is inherently bad itself!

Why am i shoving almost my entire range on the river? because if you hadnt realised (and it seems you havent) the pot is now 12k, wtf is the point in making some dumb value bet for 1/2 pot when if he is going to call that he is going to call a shove anyway, moreover, if i do hit my card i want to get paid dont i? equally i dont want to take my hand to showdown if im not getting a good return as it obviously ruins my image and means i have to change my game therein.

Hope some of that was helpful, for the record its obvious you dont play this comp, grind online mtts if thats your thing but its so different to a live comp like this you cant go making posts like that because they just dont apply in the same way

[LeKnave]

When you are 150bb deep, early in a big deepstack tourney, 4bet folding is not terrible. I lost 20% of my chips in a spot where any other line loses you 50-100% and i will never ever agree otherwise.

seems a good way to look at poker.

[Sam Proffitt]

how is saying a line i take is terrible any different?

im definitely open to constructive criticism but there are certain inalienable truths, and this is one of them, 4et folding qq in that spot is not terrible, why? because you go broke if you dont fold, unless youre lucky enough to hit your 2 outers.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

how is saying a line i take is terrible any different?

im definitely open to constructive criticism but there are certain inalienable truths, and this is one of them, 4et folding qq in that spot is not terrible, why? because you go broke if you dont fold, unless youre lucky enough to hit your 2 outers.

DONT 4BET

[Sam Proffitt]

kk and when it comes a 9 high board i can just go broke and blame bad luck? prefer to win tbh.