WCOOP Main Event hand

[Longy]

this thread gets my vote for hand of the year so far tbh, purely because its tough, higher stakes than 95% on here are used to and we are so deep v an excellent player. results please.

For that reason it doesn't imo,very interesting thread but not much use esp short/medium term to most on here

I disagree, it always healthy to read and discuss interesting hands. The thought processes are always good to go through and only can help your game no matter what level you play at.

[mondatoo]

this thread gets my vote for hand of the year so far tbh, purely because its tough, higher stakes than 95% on here are used to and we are so deep v an excellent player. results please.

For that reason it doesn't imo,very interesting thread but not much use esp short/medium term to most on here

I disagree, it always healthy to read and discuss interesting hands. The thought processes are always good to go through and only can help your game no matter what level you play at.

I was really just referring to the main part about 3betting pre,i agree it's a good thread and useful for medium stakes as well a was just meaning for it being pha thread of the year

[titaniumbean]

It's the stack sizes and player ability that make this hand interesting not the fact it says 5000 at the top of the hh.

No matter what level you play hearing good players discussing hands can only help.

[mondatoo]

Norrrrrrr what have i done...

I agree thread is useful to non high rollers just the main early discussion of the thread was the bit i was thinking about and we do have a range we 3bet with in lower buy in comps full of fish.

Basically what i ment to say came out all wrong,nevamind

[titaniumbean]

Not raggin on ya.


I agree, i'd like more discussion from those who played, re what is being 3 bet? How did the dynamic play early?

I saw some ridic stuff later on was everyone just nitting it up and letting coolers do the work?



as an aside,

opened up Isaac Haxtons table to see Btn open, sb 3 bet Isaac in bb 4 bet jam for 1.5mill at 5k/10k I think. Btn calls ai for 1mill. SB snaps for 750k.

Haxton has 
Btn has 
SB has 

flop 

turn 

river 


he must have loved flop so hard, that would be epic binkage.

[The Camel]

Oh, I folded btw.

[The Baron]

I remember watching this hand when it happened and wondering what you had Keith.

I think if the opposition is excellent I wouldn't be 3 betting my AA pre as he wont be looking to get KK/QQ in pre this deep anyway.

For me it's call, call and spewing call thereafter.

[LuckyLloyd]

but when you take the latter route he basically plays you perfect every time.

But the route hero has taken has still put him in a tough spot (unless you think it isn't).

No, it is an extremely difficult spot. But I nonetheless believe it's the most profitable way to play it despite that. Sometimes there is little you can do. This deep and against this quality of opposition you have to accept that you'll be left scratching your head every so often. But raising the flop here because it makes the subsequent decision (rake pot / fold to further raise) obvious equates to throwing in the towel. Because if you play in such a fashion you'll only win if you constantly cooler / dog your opponents.

[Boba Fett]

If the villain is as good as suggested, can he not be more likey to take this line as a bluff than we are giving him credit for?

[George2Loose]

If the villain is as good as suggested, can he not be more likey to take this line as a bluff than we are giving him credit for?

Levels upon levels

I doubt he's bluffing enough of the time here to make the call on the river profitable

[doubleup]

If the villain is as good as suggested, can he not be more likey to take this line as a bluff than we are giving him credit for?

Levels upon levels

I doubt he's bluffing enough of the time here to make the call on the river profitable

Well if he isn't bluffing and is such a great player why doesn't he value bet an amount that hero calls on the river?
 

[action man]

its a bluff a little bit more often than were giving credit for imo.
Your in basebaldy shoes. Thought processes

• Oh camel's 3bet my E/MP open this early pre antes, could well be a big pair. I know he's a decent thinking player
• flop comes low, ill fire 3 barrells and rep a set,We have called his 3bet and low pairs are a big part of our range in his eyes, he (camel) must know, we know he is strong.

[titaniumbean]

If the villain is as good as suggested, can he not be more likey to take this line as a bluff than we are giving him credit for?

Levels upon levels

I doubt he's bluffing enough of the time here to make the call on the river profitable

This.

Villain is betting the same amount with his value bets as he does with his bluffs I would guess considering it's a 5k tournie i'd be surprised if people had huge bet sizing tells. Also once hero just starts calling down it's pretty obvious he wants to get to showdown, so against that strength hand villain wants to bet bigger to have more chance of getting a fold and get more value when hero makes the call.

Action man, we have no idea of his flop leading frequency and all we know is this board texture that he has done it on.

What if he wrote out what you wrote, then put I know he knows that I know he knows. He's prob so confused he's gonna stick to whatever is his level 1.

[GreekStein]

its a bluff a little bit more often than were giving credit for imo.
Your in basebaldy shoes. Thought processes

• Oh camel's 3bet my E/MP open this early pre antes, could well be a big pair. I know he's a decent thinking player
• flop comes low, ill fire 3 barrells and rep a set,We have called his 3bet and low pairs are a big part of our range in his eyes, he (camel) must know, we know he is strong.

good post, i was thinking similar

[titaniumbean]

I agree with the sentiment that the flop might have been lead with the intention of taking the initiative and getting hero to announce somewhat the strength of his hand but once the board falls out like this and he keeps betting I think he's bluffing less and less often on each street. The fact is he is a v good player so we always have to assign some frequency of bluffs to his range.

If we just think as you did action, why didn't we raise flop? Because we'd never raise this flop and stack off with 1 pair, do we do that and own him?