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« on: September 27, 2009, 01:51:54 PM » |
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Ok so I played this hand yesterday at the £220 at Luton and thought it was an interesting one for discussion, especially after talking about it with professional poker players, David Jones and Benjamin Turnstill. I'll do the hand in stages. Bit of background: the table hates me as I've raised prob 5 hands an orbit for the first 3 levels and despite only winning one really big pot where a guy shipped on my KK open for his 60 bigs with A6 I've taken 90% of pots I've played down and I'm sitting on c.45k from the 15k starting stack. It's definitely the softest table of the 3. We're now playing 6 handed at 200/400 and I make it 1050 with K10 on the button. The big blind who has called me 3 times previously and check folded on bad flops is becoming increasingly frustrated as I've raised his bb almost every time calls. Flop is.....  . He checks to me and I bet 1300. He raises to 4k. Edit: Villain has 21k at start of the hand. We?
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 02:47:48 PM » |
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I think it's safe to assume bb sees your range as much wider than the tp good kicker you currently hold. That coupled with his increasing frustration means his raise doesn't need to be indicative of a very strong hand. That said he has continually c-folded and yet here he is taking another line and that needs to be respected to a certain degree. Too early to decide where you stand imo so I would smooth the raise and decide after the turn action. Interested to see his reaction as the turn drops and if/how he bets that card.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 02:51:11 PM » |
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my initial reaction is to call here, although there might be alot of turn cards we don't like.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 03:20:45 PM » |
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I sometimes check behind here the reason being if i can't stand i CR i opt to keep the pot smallish and to also kinda disguise my hand. If im betting the flop here i have to have already decided before betting wat i am going to do if i get CR. As played the board is obv very draw heavy and u are obv well ahead of his range etc etc blah blah. i dont mind peeling but u are gonna hate a ton of turn cards and only make your decision making harder. Having said that shipping the lot to his CR seems a bit extreme? Fuck knows, im hungover and fooking starving atm, gonna go get a McD's. Interesting hand thou Papertits
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2009, 03:49:11 PM » |
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Youre deep with position...smooth and reassess on the turn.....he could be making a play at you cos he figures you continue nearly 100% of the time... his gotta act first..lets see what he does...... The idea here is to keep control of the size of the pot.....
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Just because you don't like it...... It doesn't mean it's not the truth
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2009, 05:06:10 PM » |
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call, see a good turn and what he does, get it in.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2009, 05:45:57 PM » |
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Ok so I played this hand yesterday at the £220 at Luton and thought it was an interesting one for discussion, especially after talking about it with professional poker players, David Jones and Benjamin Turnstill. I'll do the hand in stages. Bit of background: the table hates me as I've raised prob 5 hands an orbit for the first 3 levels and despite only winning one really big pot where a guy shipped on my KK open for his 60 bigs with A6 I've taken 90% of pots I've played down and I'm sitting on c.45k from the 15k starting stack. It's definitely the softest table of the 3. We're now playing 6 handed at 200/400 and I make it 1050 with K10 on the button. The big blind who has called me 3 times previously and check folded on bad flops is becoming increasingly frustrated as I've raised his bb almost every time calls. Flop is.....  . He checks to me and I bet 1300. He raises to 4k. Edit: Villain has 21k at start of the hand. We? We call? We allow for the dynamic we have created and considering we have the widest possible raising range that we could have had i'm deffo not folding. If you think he's ready to c/r and play back light then you could call, if you think he'll think you're full of sheet if you re-raise the flop then make a small re-raise and try and let him come back over the top. If he can be c/r'ing second pair for value then we can get it in well ahead. If he's horrifically tight and you want to fold to a c/r then why did you bet the flop? (I'm still betting the flop obv but this hand is so situation specific because of the image you have created). edit how much are you cbetting? has anyone played back? you been c/r much? have you gone to showdown or is it all red line winnings? What has gone to showdown and how?
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 05:52:24 PM » |
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call 3 streets
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2009, 06:11:32 PM » |
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I prefer to check this wet flop. C betting is fine tho
Once he c/raises I would deffo flat call. Don't level yourself into thinking he's turning a shitty hand into a bluff just cos he's getting annoyed with you. He could easily have a big combo draw or less likely have you beat now. I would play for pot control here rather then potentially flipping for it against pair and a flush draw/gutter ball and flush draw
As Alex says, if a safe card comes off on the turn I'm happy to get it in as your most likely winning when the flop comes down.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2009, 09:34:49 PM » |
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Erm flop is down
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2009, 09:37:07 PM » |
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Erm flop is down
read it, 'when that flop' comes down.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2009, 09:58:35 PM » |
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Got it cheers. Fold for me or call and pray for no more diamonds.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2009, 01:08:14 AM » |
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Ok so I smoothed the raise. The turn came the  and he snap bet 11k with 6k back. We?
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2009, 01:48:51 AM » |
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Call, call any river? Is he ever gonna turn up with a fd now unless it's  or  with that bet sizing? If you think yes then i'd rather shove I think. Can he have JJ here? If not we only lose to AT/99/22 and 9T. He can have a worse jack or a straight draw. If he's really knarked with you he can have a 9. Do you know just how wide he is defending, is he calling because he's annoyed and wants to spike a flop so could have 95 or 52 or something?
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2009, 03:03:28 AM » |
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go all in now, whats the worst that can happen?
If you lose then you played the tournament on Make Up from the Blondes anyway.
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