Etiquette query

[Boba Fett]

IMO you will get more action from a player if he knows that a donkish call/ridiculous bluff wont be shown for everyone to laugh at them

[salfi]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

il take my chances . i really dont care as i dont fear death in the slightest . been shot wouldnt be the worse way to go.

[doubleup]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

il take my chances . i really dont care as i dont fear death in the slightest . been shot wouldnt be the worse way to go.

You really don't understand etiquette - its not about you.  Its about the mess that polite people have to clear up when people like you clash with other people like you.

[Colchester Kev]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

il take my chances . i really dont care as i dont fear death in the slightest . been shot wouldnt be the worse way to go.

You really don't understand etiquette - its not about you.  Its about the mess that polite people have to clear up when people like you clash with other people like you.

That Sir is probably a front runner for "post of the year" ... 

[GreekStein]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

il take my chances . i really dont care as i dont fear death in the slightest . been shot wouldnt be the worse way to go.

You really don't understand etiquette - its not about you.  Its about the mess that polite people have to clear up when people like you clash with other people like you.

That Sir is probably a front runner for "post of the year" ... 

LOL salfi ur a dousche

[salfi]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

il take my chances . i really dont care as i dont fear death in the slightest . been shot wouldnt be the worse way to go.

You really don't understand etiquette - its not about you.  Its about the mess that polite people have to clear up when people like you clash with other people like you.

That Sir is probably a front runner for "post of the year" ... 

LOL salfi ur a dousche

  lets be an arse . im been honest and i dont throw personal insults at anyone specifically .  whats with making it personal . just cause i do things my way and i give my opinion and u dont like it u become an arse.      i give my time i give a differnt prespective u obviously dont share.     keep it to yourself if u have to be negative cause i dont post on here to be slagged off for been honest.  im sorry if people read my posts and we dont share views.       i could go into a rant but il keep my personal oppinions of u to myself as i dont see the benefit of sharing that with the world. we all build an online personality and im sorry if u dont like mine. im not going to change il still give my personal opinion and if u just have a go at my posts fair enough if its constructive but just to have a go makes me think why do i bother. im always happy to share my poker knowledge with anyone i have given my time for free and i will continue to do so. i dont claim to be world class but im a winning player ive played at all levels and i make my living from the game. i have things to offer lesser players and as i have received mails requestin help in the past i really think some people value my opinion and the time i give to them.     remember u dont know me u have very little to do with my poker circles so please stop posting to any of my comments if u cant be insult free.

[GreekStein]

lol ok

[Cf]

So why is it bad etiquette when you have paid (in real terms on a cash table) to see a guys cards, it's then bad etiquette to request the information that you have paid for?

You haven't paid to see someones cards. You've paid to participate in showdown.

[gatso]

OK, call me dumb here......

But I don't get why it is bad etiquette to request to see called hands.

Now, I don't play live cash so this is not about tilting people, just wondering why my logic doesn't match with etiquette.

cash and tournies are completely different games with different rules and different etiquette

I can see that it might look odd when you consider a bet and a call on the river as all the action until the end seems to be the same in both

maybe better to look at an example where the betting ends earlier as the differences between the 2 games become clearer

let's say 2 players get all in pre flop. now neither has the right to see the other's cards. the dealer will never ask them to put them on their backs. both have the option to show 1 or more cards or none at any time from the end of betting to the point when the last card is dealt. once the last card is dealt either player can choose to muck without having to show any cards.

the situation in the op of a bet and call on the river is exactly the same as this just several streets earlier

[Cf]

OK, call me dumb here......

But I don't get why it is bad etiquette to request to see called hands.

Now, I don't play live cash so this is not about tilting people, just wondering why my logic doesn't match with etiquette.

cash and tournies are completely different games with different rules and different etiquette

I can see that it might look odd when you consider a bet and a call on the river as all the action until the end seems to be the same in both

maybe better to look at an example where the betting ends earlier as the differences between the 2 games become clearer

let's say 2 players get all in pre flop. now neither has the right to see the other's cards. the dealer will never ask them to put them on their backs. both have the option to show 1 or more cards or none at any time from the end of betting to the point when the last card is dealt. once the last card is dealt either player can choose to muck without having to show any cards.

the situation in the op of a bet and call on the river is exactly the same as this just several streets earlier

But they do have a right to request to see.

I think you're getting at the tournament all in rule, which states that once a player is all in and betting is completed all cards must be turned face up. This is seperate to the standard showdown rule. So although this rule doesn't apply to a cash game it doesn't change a player's right to request to see hands eligible to participate in showdown.

[nirvana]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

il take my chances . i really dont care as i dont fear death in the slightest . been shot wouldnt be the worse way to go.

You really don't understand etiquette - its not about you.  Its about the mess that polite people have to clear up when people like you clash with other people like you.

That Sir is probably a front runner for "post of the year" ... 

LOL salfi ur a dousche

  lets be an arse . im been honest and i dont throw personal insults at anyone specifically .  whats with making it personal . just cause i do things my way and i give my opinion and u dont like it u become an arse.      i give my time i give a differnt prespective u obviously dont share.     keep it to yourself if u have to be negative cause i dont post on here to be slagged off for been honest.  im sorry if people read my posts and we dont share views.       i could go into a rant but il keep my personal oppinions of u to myself as i dont see the benefit of sharing that with the world. we all build an online personality and im sorry if u dont like mine. im not going to change il still give my personal opinion and if u just have a go at my posts fair enough if its constructive but just to have a go makes me think why do i bother. im always happy to share my poker knowledge with anyone i have given my time for free and i will continue to do so. i dont claim to be world class but im a winning player ive played at all levels and i make my living from the game. i have things to offer lesser players and as i have received mails requestin help in the past i really think some people value my opinion and the time i give to them.     remember u dont know me u have very little to do with my poker circles so please stop posting to any of my comments if u cant be insult free.

you sound upset ?

[Royal Flush]

OK, call me dumb here......

But I don't get why it is bad etiquette to request to see called hands.

Now, I don't play live cash so this is not about tilting people, just wondering why my logic doesn't match with etiquette.

cash and tournies are completely different games with different rules and different etiquette

I can see that it might look odd when you consider a bet and a call on the river as all the action until the end seems to be the same in both

maybe better to look at an example where the betting ends earlier as the differences between the 2 games become clearer

let's say 2 players get all in pre flop. now neither has the right to see the other's cards. the dealer will never ask them to put them on their backs. both have the option to show 1 or more cards or none at any time from the end of betting to the point when the last card is dealt. once the last card is dealt either player can choose to muck without having to show any cards.

the situation in the op of a bet and call on the river is exactly the same as this just several streets earlier

But they do have a right to request to see.

I think you're getting at the tournament all in rule, which states that once a player is all in and betting is completed all cards must be turned face up. This is seperate to the standard showdown rule. So although this rule doesn't apply to a cash game it doesn't change a player's right to request to see hands eligible to participate in showdown.

obv if you really insist i am sure you would get to see it, i would personally never ask though and if someone asked me to show a loser in a big cash pot i would be pretty pissed off.

If someone did it at a table i was on i would request to see everyone of his showdowns for the whole night.

[Cf]

OK, call me dumb here......

But I don't get why it is bad etiquette to request to see called hands.

Now, I don't play live cash so this is not about tilting people, just wondering why my logic doesn't match with etiquette.

cash and tournies are completely different games with different rules and different etiquette

I can see that it might look odd when you consider a bet and a call on the river as all the action until the end seems to be the same in both

maybe better to look at an example where the betting ends earlier as the differences between the 2 games become clearer

let's say 2 players get all in pre flop. now neither has the right to see the other's cards. the dealer will never ask them to put them on their backs. both have the option to show 1 or more cards or none at any time from the end of betting to the point when the last card is dealt. once the last card is dealt either player can choose to muck without having to show any cards.

the situation in the op of a bet and call on the river is exactly the same as this just several streets earlier

But they do have a right to request to see.

I think you're getting at the tournament all in rule, which states that once a player is all in and betting is completed all cards must be turned face up. This is seperate to the standard showdown rule. So although this rule doesn't apply to a cash game it doesn't change a player's right to request to see hands eligible to participate in showdown.

obv if you really insist i am sure you would get to see it, i would personally never ask though and if someone asked me to show a loser in a big cash pot i would be pretty pissed off.

If someone did it at a table i was on i would request to see everyone of his showdowns for the whole night.

Yeah, I've never asked to see a losing hand in my life, and I never will do. Pretty stupid that the rules have this option in place imo. Not buying the collusion angle as the rule would solve that perfectly well if only the floorperson got to look at the cards, no need to show the table.

[ScottMGee]

You haven't paid to see someones cards. You've paid to participate in showdown

Sorry I have to disagree, you have 'called' the other player's bet to see his hand, not necessarily to have to show your hand.

Otherwise the rule would be that both hands have to been shown on the river.

By far the simplest solution would be for the 'called' player to automatically turn over his cards without any delay. None of this - "can beat a King", "I have two pair" or showing just one card!

The board is K high and you call with a medium King and the other playing shows just one card, a King, annoys the hell out of me!

[MANTIS01]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

il take my chances . i really dont care as i dont fear death in the slightest . been shot wouldnt be the worse way to go.

I fear death badly, urgh who wants death? Also if you lost your life to some random American dousche who shot you for slow-rolling him in some $1/$2 game that would be a thoroughly shit way to go.