WSOPE Main Event Hand

[Royal Flush]

I would 100% raise in this spot, there are 5700 chips in the pot before it gets to us i would make it 5200/5300 so cost us say 4300 to try and pick up 5700 which is obv a pretty cool bet as he cant really be 3betting that wide, obv he peels sometimes but thats ok too as our hand flops well.

If he does 3bettng like a maniac because we keep opening the SB that's cool too as its pretty easy to exploit.

[Matt50]

I would 100% raise in this spot, there are 5700 chips in the pot before it gets to us i would make it 5200/5300 so cost us say 4300 to try and pick up 5700 which is obv a pretty cool bet as he cant really be 3betting that wide, obv he peels sometimes but thats ok too as our hand flops well.

If he does 3bettng like a maniac because we keep opening the SB that's cool too as its pretty easy to exploit.

Dont want to hijack your thread Keith but what is the easiest way to exploit this Flushy.
Had an aggro guy to my left who kept 3 betting me last night - i eventually made a stand and he had KK - GG me.
Obv easy to exploit with decent hole cards but what if we are fairly card dead?

[EvilPie]

I would 100% raise in this spot, there are 5700 chips in the pot before it gets to us i would make it 5200/5300 so cost us say 4300 to try and pick up 5700 which is obv a pretty cool bet as he cant really be 3betting that wide, obv he peels sometimes but thats ok too as our hand flops well.

If he does 3bettng like a maniac because we keep opening the SB that's cool too as its pretty easy to exploit.

Dont want to hijack your thread Keith but what is the easiest way to exploit this Flushy.
Had an aggro guy to my left who kept 3 betting me last night - i eventually made a stand and he had KK - GG me.
Obv easy to exploit with decent hole cards but what if we are fairly card dead?

Just means he's 3 betting very wide so he won't usually have much of a hand. Also usually he misses and we can take his chips even if we are card dead. Our cards don't matter.

When he gets KK he will quite difficult to exploit though. This is what he relies on if he's a good 3 bettor. Create the image of being a tool and then exploit the exploiter when he finally gets a hand.

[MANTIS01]

Yeah, the maths regarding raising pre with Q-10 look appealing. But in this example villain's on a heater and is making comments about aggro hero. With the chips, the position, the table talk etc...rushing villain's going to give aggro hero business most of the time imo. So you're just looking at playing a bigger pot with lots going against you. No need when you've got twice the average imo. The factors and the villain mean big implied odds if you hit. I think calling pre has merit.

[titaniumbean]

This is from the start of Day 3. I will add information on the hand in subsequant posts..

Apprix 100 players remain. Chip Average is about 100k.

I started the day with 90k but have chipped up early, I have been extremely active, raising and 3betting alot (it is a very good table) I haven't lost a hand in the first level and a half and I'm upto about 170k. Blinds are 500-1000/100.

I am sb, Devilfish is the bb.

I have quite an interesting relationship with Devilfish. He teases me relentlessly about virtually everything. I think he sees me as overly aggressive and a bit of a nutter. However he obviously thinks I have some ability as he has bought some of my action on a couple of occasions.

He has had an amazing start to the day. He has been given two double ups on a platter and is now one the chip leaders in the tournament with nearly 400k.

He has totally avoided playing a pot with me so far, but has just been moaning about me raising the button on his sb three times.

It is folded to me on and I have QTo.

What should I do?

There's no point inflating the pot to let him just flat in position and we don't want to play a 3 bet oop with QTo, i'm not folding though so I would probably limp call and play post.

[titaniumbean]

In a vacuum I would agree, raising is the best option.

But I fancied Devilfish might well 3bet me very wide as he had just been moaning about noone standing up to me and me stealing his blind liberally. I hadn't shown a hand to this point.

So I made up the blind and he checked..

Flop came over AJ8 with 2 spades.

Hero?

Hmm. do we have a spade? w/Qs I might bet the flop. Also if he thinks we will be trappy with our big hands then he may check alot of flops back to both pot control and deceive us, so with a double gutter here  binking a non spade turn would be nice. Again I don't think I want to be bet folding this hand on the flop so would probably look to c/c.

[titaniumbean]

I would 100% raise in this spot, there are 5700 chips in the pot before it gets to us i would make it 5200/5300 so cost us say 4300 to try and pick up 5700 which is obv a pretty cool bet as he cant really be 3betting that wide, obv he peels sometimes but thats ok too as our hand flops well.

If he does 3bettng like a maniac because we keep opening the SB that's cool too as its pretty easy to exploit.

Dont want to hijack your thread Keith but what is the easiest way to exploit this Flushy.
Had an aggro guy to my left who kept 3 betting me last night - i eventually made a stand and he had KK - GG me.
Obv easy to exploit with decent hole cards but what if we are fairly card dead?

You can either call and c/r a b3b different flops which you're calling range is likely to have hit. You can also with deeper stacks 4 bet him light. Another way to exploit him is to open a narrower range.

[titaniumbean]

I would 100% raise in this spot, there are 5700 chips in the pot before it gets to us i would make it 5200/5300 so cost us say 4300 to try and pick up 5700 which is obv a pretty cool bet as he cant really be 3betting that wide, obv he peels sometimes but thats ok too as our hand flops well.

If he does 3bettng like a maniac because we keep opening the SB that's cool too as its pretty easy to exploit.

So you would just raise fold pre here?

[poonjoe]

flat pre then check the flop with the intention of check-raising if he bets.

If you do get the chance to check raise the flop it looks strong to him - you could easily have a big hand like Ax or better that you intended to limp-3bet pre, or have otherwise hit this flop really hard. Now if he comes over the top on the flop you can assume that your (6 true outs) hand is crushed and you sigh fold.

If he checks the flop behind - great. A free card going to the turn and the pot is under control.

I much prefer this line to betting the flop because i) it looks less strong and he can therefore raise you with a wider range, often you will be bluffed off yr hand; and ii) if he flats WTF? You're now in a big pot acting first against a guy with a very wide range and there are only 6 cards you really want to see.

[Free_Rollin]

flat pre then check the flop with the intention of check-raising if he bets.

If you do get the chance to check raise the flop it looks strong to him - you could easily have a big hand like Ax or better that you intended to limp-3bet pre, or have otherwise hit this flop really hard. Now if he comes over the top on the flop you can assume that your (6 true outs) hand is crushed and you sigh fold.

If he checks the flop behind - great. A free card going to the turn and the pot is under control.

I much prefer this line to betting the flop because i) it looks less strong and he can therefore raise you with a wider range, often you will be bluffed off yr hand; and ii) if he flats WTF? You're now in a big pot acting first against a guy with a very wide range and there are only 6 cards you really want to see.

What about the times when you check-raise flop, and he flats? Now you're playing an even bigger pot oop, and now you desperately need to hit your outs. You can't just take off on the turn, and checking the turn is probably saying, 'hey devilfish, i tried, i failed and now the pot is yours.' Me no like.

[titaniumbean]

Yeah me no rike flop c/r because of turn card horribleness.

[MANTIS01]

You have an aggressive nutter image, you have been v active, your oppo has twice your chips, you have no hand. I don't think c-raising the flop is a good idea.

[The Camel]

I hate c/r this flop when we are so deep.

If I had 12-15 bb's I would absolutely make this play.

With nearly 100 bigs, no thanks.

Anyways, I led out for 3k and he called.

Turn card, offsuit 9.


 

What now?

[MANTIS01]

lead again imo...

[titaniumbean]

I hate c/r this flop when we are so deep.

If I had 12-15 bb's I would absolutely make this play.

With nearly 100 bigs, no thanks.

Anyways, I led out for 3k and he called.

Turn card, offsuit 9.


 

What now?

sorry the bananas have got me..