£1/£2 Cash Hand: Snap call the river?!?!?

[Mitch]

£1/£2 cash game at DTD.

Most people at the table are sitting £500+ deep and is heavily populated by absolute donks.

Hero on £4 straddle, 5 players complete and i check my option with   (Pot £31)

Flop comes down a rather nice   . Julian Thew checks from BB, i check, early limper bets out £25 which is called by next limper. Cut off folds and Julian makes it £75 to go from an approx £900 stack. Back on me with the coconuts (£700 stack) and i decide to call hoping the original better & caller are in the mood to chase gut shots etc drawing dead or very thinly if they have over pairs. They both fold and we are heads up. (Pot £231)

Obv Julian is a v.good player and the chances of him making a move here against players who dont like to fold is 0%. His range is obv 5 X, Deuces (Although unlikely as he would have to have the last two in the deck) or possibly a big over pair which he limped hoping for me to raise my straddle seeing where he is, although i think this isnt too likely.

Turn card comes   and Julian leads out for £150

I would like to say i moved in here but i decided to flat with £425 left behind. I think this is a pretty clear shove for value as he clearly has a hand but i know i made a mistake by calling, this isnt really the point of the post.

Anyway the interesting bit comes on the river (Pot £531)

I know Julian KNOWS i have a big hand here with cold calling the £75 on the folp and his turn bet.

Im expecting to see a stopper bet on the river or a check call by a non paired up 5. River comes and he now announces "All In"

Is this a snap call or does anybody find a fold here!?!?   Is he ever going to shove   etc here when i could easily be sitting behind with a House??

Mitch.

[Rupert]

would lead flop as played call/call is better than jamming turn imo, julian certainly capable of trying to get you to fold something absurd

[KarmaDope]

I put Julian on a range of 5x, any PP by the river. All that beats us is 75, 54 and 77. Its £450ish to win about £1k. I think we have to call with the 4th nuts here as we'll be right more often than not.

[Royal Flush]

Errrm pretty sure he shoves trips.

[jakally]

Obv Julian is a v.good player and the chances of him making a move here against players who dont like to fold is 0%.

I am assuming one of these is you!!

Snap call obv.
Will be crying sometimes but it still doesn't make it a fold.

[Woodsey]

Insta call, I'm assuming you lost the hand or you wouldn't be asking?

[Mitch]

Insta call, I'm assuming you lost the hand or you wouldn't be asking?

Just wanna get a few more opinions before i say what happened as it can sometimes influence peoples thoughts when they know the results...kinda like Roy Brindleys commentary on the TV crapshoots 

[AlexMartin]

ship the turn, too much danger of him checking back a strong holding on the end. As played, i absolutely hate life and would need some kind of read. Think fold cant be bad though.

[titaniumbean]

I'd shove the turn and some % of the time lead the flop.


How has the session been going for you and julian? He is a very good player who plays very consistently which would make me not like how i've played it once he shoves river because some little nitty bit of me would want to fold  now that he knows i'm strong.


Maybe just open ship flop and say you has quads so he snaps you with any five.


Tbh you do raise your straddle regularly but if he had trapped you with whatever hand then he isn't going to be raising a paired board in a limped pot.


Also I am please to see that even though the story didn't start 'the straddle is 132 and I have aces after 8 limpers' you still flopped the world, MBFN!



and obv he has 45.



how was Ireland too fishy?

[Pyso]

Sounds to me like he has deuces for the underfull. By the river he has put you (who straddled) on a 5 - the way you have played it screams as such, and Julian, being the quality player he is, is going to put his money in now even if he fears you may have a better hand.

He knows that with the pot this big and most of the money in the middle he can't be folding a boat here and neither should you really.

[Pyso]

Oh, and two more musings.

I assume you are adequately rolled for this game? I've only played a little with you Mitch and it seems that you are - so you won't be making a fold with scared money.

..and if you are going to straddle (my opinions on this are well known, lol) then why fold when you hit the jackpot on the flop. Yes, you should have shoved before the river, but even so, as played, more often than not you will be winning.

Was there any dialogue on this hand or body language that may have swayed your decision?

[titaniumbean]

if you are going to straddle (my opinions on this are well known, lol) then why fold when you hit the jackpot on the flop. Yes, you should have shoved before the river, but even so, as played, more often than not you will be winning.

Was there any dialogue on this hand or body language that may have swayed your decision?

Straddling is not a bad thing or much of a -ev thing if you play your situations well.  I think that just because we have hit the jackpot on the flop does not mean that we aren't capable of folding it if we have to. The amount of money behind dictates as such, not because we are scared but because it's 300 bb's. I think that may well by why you have not found success with it?


The problem for us in this hand is that Julian is a very good player who can read hands as we are trying to do, this obviously means we also have to be able to assign him some percentage chance of making a move on us at any stage ofcourse. Having said that if the table is full of donkeys and he suddenly gets HU with the reg-fish mitchellina who is also deep he's not going to be spewing or betting worse for value that often I don't think.

The only sort of hands that we beat are A5/K5s that thinks they are coolering a smaller five, having said that the boards run out such that I don't think he's value betting A5 that often.

There is 430 into 530 on the river. That's alot of monies to be putting in on a bluff, it's very unlikely mitch is calling the shove with too much worse, mitch is not often folding fh's.  There's also pretty much 0% chance that Julian puts Mitch on anything but at least a 5.


Mitchellina how long did you take to call the turn and did you do any chip faffing etc? Also wats average pot size at the table cos if the tables playing really big and quite fast i'd never fold. And who is winning/losing?

 But the more I look the more I wanna tank fold the river and give him the dirtiest stare!



In summary I think I mean: It seems so 'exploitable' to fold but haha no this is live just fold we're beat.

[titaniumbean]

Obv Julian is a v.good player and the chances of him making a move here against players who dont like to fold is 0%.

I am assuming one of these is you!!

Snap call obv.
Will be crying sometimes but it still doesn't make it a fold.

So we beat A5/K5/22/56/58
lose to 54/57/ never 77.

 meh maybe it is a call. ugh ghay ghay ugly spot

[iwillwinlots]

u tanked and called, he had 22

[jakally]

Obv Julian is a v.good player and the chances of him making a move here against players who dont like to fold is 0%.

I am assuming one of these is you!!

Snap call obv.
Will be crying sometimes but it still doesn't make it a fold.

So we beat A5/K5/22/56/58
lose to 54/57/ never 77.

 meh maybe it is a call. ugh ghay ghay ugly spot

I like your style on PHA. Make multiple posts on every thread giving all the possible lines you could take, hoping to look like a poker genius when one of them is vaguely close to a gd strat.

BTW, when are you going up to Manc for the SPT - Fri or Sat?