Evilpie's get off your lazy arse and get back to the gym diaries

[kinboshi]

Step 4 - Supplements

Now it's possible I may be making a mistake here but I've decided to go straight back to my old supplement plan from when I was big.

This may be a mistake in the short term because my body probably won't need it all until I'm more muscular again. Anything my body doesn't need though it will just expel so all I'm doing is pissing money away, I'm not harming my health.

I've decided to do it this way because what I need right now is a routine. If I make my supplements part of this routine I think everything else will fall in to place much easier.

There are literally hundreds of supplement providers out there and choosing one that stands out from the rest is nigh on impossible. The gym I used to train at supplied a particular brand and that worked before so I'll stick to the same brand now. If anyone wants to know what the brand is PM me and I'll tell you. I don't want to actively encourage this brand over any other because it's the only one I've tried so can't give any kind of comparison.

So what have a bought:-

Meal replacement shakes

Flapjacks

Protein bars

Vitamin/mineral tablets

Amino acid tablets

Total cost £230. It's an expensive game this!!

These are just supplements and will form part of my overall diet. You will see where they fit in when I post about my daily diet later.

I have a little bit of thinking to do about that because things are slightly different to my old routine because of training times.

Matt, will chat to you about the vitamins and other supplements.

I'm pretty sure we're just going to disagree on this but always willing to talk. It's all down to opinion but I know what's worked for me in the past.

Btw. I know this looks a lot but it's over 2 months worth. Bulk buy discounts and all that.

Why is it down to opinion, and not scientific evidence backed up by studies, trials, etc.?

The 'it worked last time' is probably a slight on the hard work you put in with your training and diet. 

[Ironside]

Does this mean you will no longer be accepting bowls of chips from me at DTD ?

Liar, you don't give up chips that easily............

you sure you been on a table with him

easier to get chips off him than kinboshi

[EvilPie]

On to the daily diet. This is a training day diet that would be altered for days off.

This will have to be tweaked considerably to account for different training times but my diet on my previous regime was as follows:

06.30 Breakfast - 6 egg whites + 2 yolks scrambled on 2 wholemeal pitta breads. AM vitamins + amino acid tablets

10.00 - Protein bar

13.00 - 225g chicken breast with chutney for taste. Amino acid tablets.

16.45 - Protein shake with 1 cup oatmeal (approx 1 hour pre training)

18.00 - Protein shake (after training)

19.30 - 225g lean steak / minced steak + veg + PM vitamins + amino acid tablets

23.00 - Supper - 4 whole eggs scrambled on 1 wholemeal pitta


This is roughly what I used to eat day in day out.

The chicken and minced steak can be substituted for fish or turkey for a change. Dinner would be cooked with some kind of low fat sauce, dolmio for example.

I tried to keep carb and fat intake low so avoid too much rice or pasta. There are good quality carbs in the flapjacks and meal replacement shakes to ensure that I had enough carbs to train effectively.

[Laxie]

Knew Kin would get tucked in with this once you mentioned all the supplements.   Just surprised it took him nearly 2 hours to reply!  

[StuartHopkin]

On a more serious note, although Im obv gonna lose one of my top drinking buddies, good luck mate!

[GreekStein]

On a more serious note, although Im obv gonna lose one of my top drinking buddies, good luck mate!

Awwww.

I feel sorry for Stu now

[EvilPie]

Step 4 - Supplements

Now it's possible I may be making a mistake here but I've decided to go straight back to my old supplement plan from when I was big.

This may be a mistake in the short term because my body probably won't need it all until I'm more muscular again. Anything my body doesn't need though it will just expel so all I'm doing is pissing money away, I'm not harming my health.

I've decided to do it this way because what I need right now is a routine. If I make my supplements part of this routine I think everything else will fall in to place much easier.

There are literally hundreds of supplement providers out there and choosing one that stands out from the rest is nigh on impossible. The gym I used to train at supplied a particular brand and that worked before so I'll stick to the same brand now. If anyone wants to know what the brand is PM me and I'll tell you. I don't want to actively encourage this brand over any other because it's the only one I've tried so can't give any kind of comparison.

So what have a bought:-

Meal replacement shakes

Flapjacks

Protein bars

Vitamin/mineral tablets

Amino acid tablets

Total cost £230. It's an expensive game this!!

These are just supplements and will form part of my overall diet. You will see where they fit in when I post about my daily diet later.

I have a little bit of thinking to do about that because things are slightly different to my old routine because of training times.

Matt, will chat to you about the vitamins and other supplements.

I'm pretty sure we're just going to disagree on this but always willing to talk. It's all down to opinion but I know what's worked for me in the past.

Btw. I know this looks a lot but it's over 2 months worth. Bulk buy discounts and all that.

Why is it down to opinion, and not scientific evidence backed up by studies, trials, etc.?

The 'it worked last time' is probably a slight on the hard work you put in with your training and diet. 

'cause Jenny McCarthy told me.

In all seriousness I know it's possible to get everything you need from a normal diet it's just difficult in my opinion.

I'm not a big fan of eating lots of fruit or veg so choose to go down the supplement route instead.

I know that my body needs a certain amount of protein and carbs and a certain amount of everything else and that when I'm training hard those amounts increase.

I also know that to get these amounts just from food would be difficult for me.

I also know that I am probably consuming too much of certain things but I'd rather have too much than not enough.

The reason I prefer to stick to opinion on these matters is because there's scientific studies about everything and if I believed every one I wouldn't be able to eat or drink anything.

If you can show me one single food item that has never had a bad word said about it I'll be shocked and surprised. The same goes for supplements, the same goes for exercising, the same goes for not exercising.

At some point you just have to make up your own mind or you'll have to wrap yourself in cotton wool and never go out.

Oh no scrap that. Apparently cotton can kill me as well http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=26213.msg283712

[EvilPie]

On a more serious note, although Im obv gonna lose one of my top drinking buddies, good luck mate!

Thx mate but you won't lose me I just won't be pissed as a rat.

As stated, Malta and Prague are still very much on and once I'm back how I want to be so are Saturday nights.

It'll only be a few months.

[EvilPie]

Knew Kin would get tucked in with this once you mentioned all the supplements.   Just surprised it took him nearly 2 hours to reply!  

yup. It was a racing cert.

[GreekStein]

I doubt taking the supplements that you are is worse for you than the drink it will replace.

[paulhouk03]

On to the daily diet. This is a training day diet that would be altered for days off.

This will have to be tweaked considerably to account for different training times but my diet on my previous regime was as follows:

06.30 Breakfast - 6 egg whites + 2 yolks scrambled on 2 wholemeal pitta breads. AM vitamins + amino acid tablets

10.00 - Protein bar

13.00 - 225g chicken breast with chutney for taste. Amino acid tablets.

16.45 - Protein shake with 1 cup oatmeal (approx 1 hour pre training)

18.00 - Protein shake (after training)

19.30 - 225g lean steak / minced steak + veg + PM vitamins + amino acid tablets

23.00 - Supper - 4 whole eggs scrambled on 1 wholemeal pitta


This is roughly what I used to eat day in day out.

The chicken and minced steak can be substituted for fish or turkey for a change. Dinner would be cooked with some kind of low fat sauce, dolmio for example.

I tried to keep carb and fat intake low so avoid too much rice or pasta. There are good quality carbs in the flapjacks and meal replacement shakes to ensure that I had enough carbs to train effectively.

what u gonna do with the other 4 yolks?

Plus can we have before and after pics

they all ways make me laugh in magazines

[kinboshi]

Step 4 - Supplements

Now it's possible I may be making a mistake here but I've decided to go straight back to my old supplement plan from when I was big.

This may be a mistake in the short term because my body probably won't need it all until I'm more muscular again. Anything my body doesn't need though it will just expel so all I'm doing is pissing money away, I'm not harming my health.

I've decided to do it this way because what I need right now is a routine. If I make my supplements part of this routine I think everything else will fall in to place much easier.

There are literally hundreds of supplement providers out there and choosing one that stands out from the rest is nigh on impossible. The gym I used to train at supplied a particular brand and that worked before so I'll stick to the same brand now. If anyone wants to know what the brand is PM me and I'll tell you. I don't want to actively encourage this brand over any other because it's the only one I've tried so can't give any kind of comparison.

So what have a bought:-

Meal replacement shakes

Flapjacks

Protein bars

Vitamin/mineral tablets

Amino acid tablets

Total cost £230. It's an expensive game this!!

These are just supplements and will form part of my overall diet. You will see where they fit in when I post about my daily diet later.

I have a little bit of thinking to do about that because things are slightly different to my old routine because of training times.

Matt, will chat to you about the vitamins and other supplements.

I'm pretty sure we're just going to disagree on this but always willing to talk. It's all down to opinion but I know what's worked for me in the past.

Btw. I know this looks a lot but it's over 2 months worth. Bulk buy discounts and all that.

Why is it down to opinion, and not scientific evidence backed up by studies, trials, etc.?

The 'it worked last time' is probably a slight on the hard work you put in with your training and diet. 

'cause Jenny McCarthy told me.

In all seriousness I know it's possible to get everything you need from a normal diet it's just difficult in my opinion.

I'm not a big fan of eating lots of fruit or veg so choose to go down the supplement route instead.

I know that my body needs a certain amount of protein and carbs and a certain amount of everything else and that when I'm training hard those amounts increase.

I also know that to get these amounts just from food would be difficult for me.

I also know that I am probably consuming too much of certain things but I'd rather have too much than not enough.

The reason I prefer to stick to opinion on these matters is because there's scientific studies about everything and if I believed every one I wouldn't be able to eat or drink anything.

If you can show me one single food item that has never had a bad word said about it I'll be shocked and surprised. The same goes for supplements, the same goes for exercising, the same goes for not exercising.

At some point you just have to make up your own mind or you'll have to wrap yourself in cotton wool and never go out.

Oh no scrap that. Apparently cotton can kill me as well http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=26213.msg283712

Think you're getting confused between science and bullshit pseudo-science in the popular media.  They're as different as astronomy and astrology.  But I hear what you're saying.

[EvilPie]

On to the daily diet. This is a training day diet that would be altered for days off.

This will have to be tweaked considerably to account for different training times but my diet on my previous regime was as follows:

06.30 Breakfast - 6 egg whites + 2 yolks scrambled on 2 wholemeal pitta breads. AM vitamins + amino acid tablets

10.00 - Protein bar

13.00 - 225g chicken breast with chutney for taste. Amino acid tablets.

16.45 - Protein shake with 1 cup oatmeal (approx 1 hour pre training)

18.00 - Protein shake (after training)

19.30 - 225g lean steak / minced steak + veg + PM vitamins + amino acid tablets

23.00 - Supper - 4 whole eggs scrambled on 1 wholemeal pitta


This is roughly what I used to eat day in day out.

The chicken and minced steak can be substituted for fish or turkey for a change. Dinner would be cooked with some kind of low fat sauce, dolmio for example.

I tried to keep carb and fat intake low so avoid too much rice or pasta. There are good quality carbs in the flapjacks and meal replacement shakes to ensure that I had enough carbs to train effectively.

what u gonna do with the other 4 yolks?

Plus can we have before and after pics

they all ways make me laugh in magazines

Throw them down the sink. What do you think I'm going to do with them.

No you can't, especially not for the purpose of laughter.

If I wanted people to have a laugh at my expense I'd sit out in a blizzard for 12 hours to buy some shoes to make a couple hundred quid.

[StuartHopkin]

Dont disrespect the Homeister!

So, a question, wont it be a bit strange not drinking at the Marilyn Manson gig?

[EvilPie]

Dont disrespect the Homeister!

So, a question, wont it be a bit strange not drinking at the Marilyn Manson gig?

Not at all mate. I drove last time when it was at the NEC so it shouldn't be a problem.

If I'm happy with my progress then I may decide to have a few anyway. For now it's best to just stick with none at all rather than give in to temptation.