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« Reply #120 on: November 19, 2009, 12:27:37 PM »

... Biceps don't need too much work as they are a very small muscle. Loads of people overdo their biceps because they want 'big guns' but they are just wasting their time by over training. Just look at the size of your biceps compared to your thighs. Do you really think they need as much work? And yet you see people do hours training biceps then neglect their legs....

Funnily enough when I used to go to the gym before work every day I was more than happy using the machines to work my 'whatever the muscles in your legs are called' and I never bothered with the bicep-y stuff.

But to be fair that wasn't really anything to do with any logic or fitness plan - I only really went to the gym to do the exercise I enjoyed doing, rather than to actually get fit Smiley
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« Reply #121 on: November 19, 2009, 01:52:32 PM »

Sorry for semi-hijacking your thread to write down what I'm doing myself but kinda wanna get your thoughts on what I'm doing for a week or so and then I'll f*ck off back to where I came from.

Did you normally have any order to your sessions? I.e don't recommend doing one body part the day after doing another?

Did shoulders yday, probably going to do back and abs tonight and a little bit of cardio. Cardio before I begin my weight sesh I assume yeh?

Bought some waters and vitamin waters for my desk for my desk to replace normal Hot chocolates from Cafe Nero and the odd ribena from the cornershop.

Had a bagel (no butter) with fresh crab meat in it for breakfast. Just about to have an orange and a banana now before lunch at one.

Be a struggle going from Chicken Katsu Curry or Thai Noodles and Chicken Massaman to Salad Box but gotta be done. I really struggle a lot more with my diet as I just love to plough through ridic amounts of food. Not a big one for crisps and chocolates etc so don't find it a problem not eating them at all but I like my curries, chineses, and just generally eating things like chicken sandwiches with lots of mayo etc...

Also, my times of eating are not ideal.

I have lunch at half 1 normally and then will often have a little something around 4 but I get home about 7.30 and try and be at the gym for half 8. Should I eat a meal as soon as I get home and give it an hour and a half before I train and then just have a protein shake when I get back?

What I usually do is get home from work, have a tiny bit of my dinner, be it a bowl of pasta of a chicken sandwich and then eat again once I've finished training but I guess it can't be good for me to eat so late in the evening, particularly now that I'm aiming to be in bed by midnight every day rather than the 2am sort of time previous.

No problem at all mate. Hijack away.

Session order wasn't really set in stone. We would change it around but try to have a break between shoulders, back and chest. It doesn't mater which you do first just try to separate them.

Monday - Legs.
Tuesday - Chest
Wed - Rest
Thurs - Shoulders
Fri - Arms
Sat - Back (swap chest and back around if you're going out Saturday night ldo)
Sunday - Rest

This is what I am aiming to do starting on Monday. This week is more about getting back in to it and going steady.

Your diet mate sounds pretty awful tbh. When you say salad what are you having with it? The salad should be the side to your chicken. If you're just having salad it's not enough.

Bowl of pasta - Hmmmm. Get rid dude.

Lol bagel. No butter?!?! So what!! Scrap the bagel!!

Chicken sandwich - Make it chicken and you're on the right lines. Get rid of the bread. You mentioned mayo. Get real mate. You're either serious or you're not. You know yourself that you can't have mayo even it's low fat. Just have plain chicken fillet with a nice tomato and chili chutney as a dip. The one I have is 0.3% fat and you hardly have any anyway so it's negligible.

Your eating times look pretty good to me. You need to look at consuming around 180g of protein per day assuming you're aiming for around 13st.

6 egg white + 2 yolks for breakfast @ around 7am = 25g

Your protein shake about 10.30am will contain about 30g

225g of chicken for lunch at 1.30pm = 30g

protein bar for little something around 4pm = 25g

Flap jack bar before training at 8pm = 10g (more carbs than protein)

Protein shake immediately after training = 30g

225g of turkey/chicken/lean beef for dinner/supper at around 10pm = 30g

You will get the extra 10g from veg, salad, fruit, pitta breads or anything else you have.

Eating late is fine as long as it's good stuff you're eating. All the stuff you've eaten during the day will provide your fuel for training. Just add a flapjack bar for a little boost.

If you eat a dinner before training your body will be spending time processing that. You want to be training, not processing a big dinner.

Forget the special water. Just have tap water, it's perfectly fine if you ask me.

Does that look easy enough to do?
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« Reply #122 on: November 19, 2009, 01:58:46 PM »

Sorry for semi-hijacking your thread to write down what I'm doing myself but kinda wanna get your thoughts on what I'm doing for a week or so and then I'll f*ck off back to where I came from.

Did you normally have any order to your sessions? I.e don't recommend doing one body part the day after doing another?

Did shoulders yday, probably going to do back and abs tonight and a little bit of cardio. Cardio before I begin my weight sesh I assume yeh?

Bought some waters and vitamin waters for my desk for my desk to replace normal Hot chocolates from Cafe Nero and the odd ribena from the cornershop.

Had a bagel (no butter) with fresh crab meat in it for breakfast. Just about to have an orange and a banana now before lunch at one.

Be a struggle going from Chicken Katsu Curry or Thai Noodles and Chicken Massaman to Salad Box but gotta be done. I really struggle a lot more with my diet as I just love to plough through ridic amounts of food. Not a big one for crisps and chocolates etc so don't find it a problem not eating them at all but I like my curries, chineses, and just generally eating things like chicken sandwiches with lots of mayo etc...

Also, my times of eating are not ideal.

I have lunch at half 1 normally and then will often have a little something around 4 but I get home about 7.30 and try and be at the gym for half 8. Should I eat a meal as soon as I get home and give it an hour and a half before I train and then just have a protein shake when I get back?

What I usually do is get home from work, have a tiny bit of my dinner, be it a bowl of pasta of a chicken sandwich and then eat again once I've finished training but I guess it can't be good for me to eat so late in the evening, particularly now that I'm aiming to be in bed by midnight every day rather than the 2am sort of time previous.

No problem at all mate. Hijack away.

Session order wasn't really set in stone. We would change it around but try to have a break between shoulders, back and chest. It doesn't mater which you do first just try to separate them.

Monday - Legs.
Tuesday - Chest
Wed - Rest
Thurs - Shoulders
Fri - Arms
Sat - Back (swap chest and back around if you're going out Saturday night ldo)
Sunday - Rest

This is what I am aiming to do starting on Monday. This week is more about getting back in to it and going steady.

Your diet mate sounds pretty awful tbh. When you say salad what are you having with it? The salad should be the side to your chicken. If you're just having salad it's not enough.

Bowl of pasta - Hmmmm. Get rid dude.

Lol bagel. No butter?!?! So what!! Scrap the bagel!!

Chicken sandwich - Make it chicken and you're on the right lines. Get rid of the bread. You mentioned mayo. Get real mate. You're either serious or you're not. You know yourself that you can't have mayo even it's low fat. Just have plain chicken fillet with a nice tomato and chili chutney as a dip. The one I have is 0.3% fat and you hardly have any anyway so it's negligible.

Your eating times look pretty good to me. You need to look at consuming around 180g of protein per day assuming you're aiming for around 13st.

6 egg white + 2 yolks for breakfast @ around 7am = 25g

Your protein shake about 10.30am will contain about 30g

225g of chicken for lunch at 1.30pm = 30g

protein bar for little something around 4pm = 25g

Flap jack bar before training at 8pm = 10g (more carbs than protein)

Protein shake immediately after training = 30g

225g of turkey/chicken/lean beef for dinner/supper at around 10pm = 30g

You will get the extra 10g from veg, salad, fruit, pitta breads or anything else you have.

Eating late is fine as long as it's good stuff you're eating. All the stuff you've eaten during the day will provide your fuel for training. Just add a flapjack bar for a little boost.

If you eat a dinner before training your body will be spending time processing that. You want to be training, not processing a big dinner.

Forget the special water. Just have tap water, it's perfectly fine if you ask me.

Does that look easy enough to do?

Yeah that's coolio though I think you need to re-read the bit I wrote about chicken mayo sandwiches. I was saying that was what I was eating when not training...obv know I can't eat that stuff now.

What's wrong with a bagel though? I mean I don't eat many carbs, but thought we needed 30% carbs or something around there in our diet for energy?

When I say salad I get it from a little Italian place across the road from work, normally consists of chicken breast/fishcake with some beans, beetroot etc.

Ty for advice. Will try follow as strictly as poss!
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« Reply #123 on: November 19, 2009, 02:10:14 PM »


Yeah that's coolio though I think you need to re-read the bit I wrote about chicken mayo sandwiches. I was saying that was what I was eating when not training...obv know I can't eat that stuff now.


I'll let you off then

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What's wrong with a bagel though? I mean I don't eat many carbs, but thought we needed 30% carbs or something around there in our diet for energy?


You do need carbs but you don't need the fat that's in a bagel. A perfect breakfast would be eggs + a wholemeal pitta or 2.

I'm not 100% certain of the make up of a bagel but I would assume it's mostly high sugar carbs. They are the fast release carbs that give you an energy spike like a red bull but obviously not quite so bad. Slow release carbs are much better.

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When I say salad I get it from a little Italian place across the road from work, normally consists of chicken breast/fishcake with some beans, beetroot etc.


The salad you get from the place across the road won't have anywhere near enough chicken. You need around 225g. I'd guess at maximum there's 100g in this chicken salad. The total protein might be 25g or so but a lot of that will be from the dressings and other stuff.

For the best protein source buy chicken fillets, cook them the day before, refridgerate them and take 225g of them to work next day. It'll be cheaper than the salad place as well.

Just eat the chicken with one of the chutneys I mentioned.

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You're welcome. Don't try.... Do....

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« Reply #124 on: November 19, 2009, 03:16:33 PM »

What was your max benchpress for say 3 reps Matt?

Also, what did you used to squat?


Max bench was about 140kg including the bar. I was never a big bench presser. My frame isn't really designed for it as I have long arms and long triceps. Drop it to 120kg though and I could get 12 out on a good day.

Biggest squat was 160kg but only for a couple of reps and with 3 spotters, 1 for support and 1 each end of the bar just in case.


My biggest bench for 2 reps max was 115kg yet I did 160kg squatting at peak too.

Gotta get back in too. I always seem to do well, train hard(ish) for 3-6 months even though my diet is far from ideal and then poker will normally lead to me messing up which is why I haven't trained since Ireland. (Sigh).

I'm now at my heaviest weight ever, 14 stone, (megasigh) and even the muscle that lay underneath the fat is rapidly going soft. I'm nearly your weight and I'm half a foot shorter!

I've just bought a tub of protein (£55-normal sigh) and some protein bars. Gonna start again myself tonight when I get back from work!

Let's gogogo.

pics please... Wink

lol of what?  the corn rows i just got done on my back?

your sexy body

Pictures are being taken care of ty. I have received the first batch and just to make sure I do not miss any vital contour muscle growth I have enlarged them greatly and placed them on my bedroom ceiling so that I can study them in peace and quiet.
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« Reply #125 on: November 19, 2009, 06:48:58 PM »

ZOMG Cos!
You weigh more than me!
Made my day.

Kthxbye
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« Reply #126 on: November 19, 2009, 06:50:40 PM »

ZOMG Cos!
You weigh more than me!
Made my day.

Kthxbye

lol wtf did u think i weighed? Obv more than u!

Ur about 12 stone im guessing?
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« Reply #127 on: November 19, 2009, 06:51:38 PM »

ZOMG Cos!
You weigh more than me!
Made my day.

Kthxbye

lol wtf did u think i weighed? Obv more than u!

Ur about 12 stone im guessing?

Oh mate!?

U serious?

If you are then I think I would like to marry you.
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« Reply #128 on: November 19, 2009, 08:21:55 PM »

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« Reply #129 on: November 19, 2009, 08:23:07 PM »

Had my meal tonight which was [  ] nice. Sardines and petits pois.

Off to the gym shortly. Marv
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« Reply #130 on: November 19, 2009, 08:46:36 PM »

Had my meal tonight which was [  ] nice. Sardines and petits pois.

Off to the gym shortly. Marv

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« Reply #131 on: November 19, 2009, 09:13:25 PM »

Sorry for semi-hijacking your thread to write down what I'm doing myself but kinda wanna get your thoughts on what I'm doing for a week or so and then I'll f*ck off back to where I came from.

Did you normally have any order to your sessions? I.e don't recommend doing one body part the day after doing another?

Did shoulders yday, probably going to do back and abs tonight and a little bit of cardio. Cardio before I begin my weight sesh I assume yeh?

Bought some waters and vitamin waters for my desk for my desk to replace normal Hot chocolates from Cafe Nero and the odd ribena from the cornershop.

Had a bagel (no butter) with fresh crab meat in it for breakfast. Just about to have an orange and a banana now before lunch at one.

Be a struggle going from Chicken Katsu Curry or Thai Noodles and Chicken Massaman to Salad Box but gotta be done. I really struggle a lot more with my diet as I just love to plough through ridic amounts of food. Not a big one for crisps and chocolates etc so don't find it a problem not eating them at all but I like my curries, chineses, and just generally eating things like chicken sandwiches with lots of mayo etc...

Also, my times of eating are not ideal.

I have lunch at half 1 normally and then will often have a little something around 4 but I get home about 7.30 and try and be at the gym for half 8. Should I eat a meal as soon as I get home and give it an hour and a half before I train and then just have a protein shake when I get back?

What I usually do is get home from work, have a tiny bit of my dinner, be it a bowl of pasta of a chicken sandwich and then eat again once I've finished training but I guess it can't be good for me to eat so late in the evening, particularly now that I'm aiming to be in bed by midnight every day rather than the 2am sort of time previous.
If time a factor Cos, go for a protein shake pre workout then another post workout.
Defo have the dinner after workout, lots of veg if possible.
Turkey breast is a good source of very low fat protein.
Make your own salads, add tuna or chicken/turkey you have grilled.
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« Reply #132 on: November 19, 2009, 10:57:37 PM »

Well I'm really feeling some pain in my chest at the moment. Good pain, not bad pain. The type that you get when you know you've ripped a few muscles that haven't done anything for a while.

I'll be training legs tomorrw to give my upper body a break then do shoulders and back on Saturday. I won't combine these normally but I want to fit everything in this week and have Sunday off ready to start the full program on Monday.

Diet has been good today. I had an MR shake with oatmeal before training which seems to work well energy wise. Another MR shake immediately after training.

Lunch was 225g of chicken with a nice chutney on the side.

Afternoon snack at 3pm was a protein bar.

I got home at 5.30 and had a 1 hour nap before having a flapjack and walking the dog for an hour.

Dinner when I got back was 225g of lean minced steak in dolmio sauce with a medium jacket potato.

I'll be having a protein bar shortly then half an hour in the jacuzzi and an early night.

I'm feeling really good about this at the moment especially the diet side and I'm very confident about sticking to it.

I'm hoping to be a long way towards being my old self by Christmas. 6 weeks is a reasonable target for losing my excess body fat. I know people think it's difficult but if you stick with a good diet it really isn't. Don't forget, diet isn't about restricting what you eat, it's about eating plenty of the right foods for whatever your daily routine is.

I'm going to see if the gym do a fitness assessment tomorrow. I only want my body fat measuring so that I can compare in the new year to see how much I've dropped. If they don't it's not a problem, the mirror will tell me what I need to know.

Looking forward to training legs in the morning. It's going to be tough but it will be a real buzz to feel that pain in my legs.

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« Reply #133 on: November 19, 2009, 11:22:12 PM »

Did a decentish session myself tonight tho I fatigued really quickly.

Started with 75kg Bench and managed 4 sets of 12 reps but struggled more than I usually would and this took it out of me for weights I normally do on the other exercises. Did incline and decline too, followed by chest press and finishing with some cable crossovers. Shoulders really aching too.

Came home, had my shake and gonna get my stuff ready for luton tomorrow.



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« Reply #134 on: November 20, 2009, 12:01:12 AM »

I cant wait till you two are a couple. Gonna be so cute.
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