Evilpie's get off your lazy arse and get back to the gym diaries

[EvilPie]

How do u do legs to failure matt? Could make squats tricky!

Smiths machine obv.......

nothing like squatting properly though

Hmmmm.......

It is kind of like it though isn't it.......

[StuartHopkin]

Someone in our office is on the GI diet.

There trainer also says its not the fat you need to avoid its carbs and sugar.

Looking at some the recipes they dont seem very sensible at all. Oh hi der buttered vegetables.

Can I safely call bullshizzle on this?

[Woodsey]

Someone in our office is on the GI diet.

There trainer also says its not the fat you need to avoid its carbs and sugar.

Looking at some the recipes they dont seem very sensible at all. Oh hi der buttered vegetables.

Can I safely call bullshizzle on this?

Vegetables are carbs dude, but some are lower in carbs than others 

Its basically an atkins style diet. Its effective but whether its healthy or not is another discussion.

[outragous76]

Someone in our office is on the GI diet.

There trainer also says its not the fat you need to avoid its carbs and sugar.

Looking at some the recipes they dont seem very sensible at all. Oh hi der buttered vegetables.

Can I safely call bullshizzle on this?

Def not!

Low carb (even with high fat intake) if followed properly will always shed lbs! - Most people cant hack it and eat too much carb and fail, but any low carb diet will shed lbs whilst followed properly!

As for long term benefits, well thats your own choice

What you need to remember with these diets is that just because people intake fat, it doesnt necessarily get stored as fat. Only excess calories get stored as fat, and thats even if taken in as carb (please dont makle me get my A level biology books out - its to do with the breakdown and change to glycerol prior tio being used as energy or stored due to lack of use)

[EvilPie]

Someone in our office is on the GI diet.

There trainer also says its not the fat you need to avoid its carbs and sugar.

Looking at some the recipes they dont seem very sensible at all. Oh hi der buttered vegetables.

Can I safely call bullshizzle on this?

Nah they'll definitely lose weight if they stick to it.

They'll probably be covered in spots and have breath like a camel's ball bag but they'll definitely be lighter.

Whether they can keep the weight off is also an issue because at some point they will have to eat some carbs or they will die.

I personally wouldn't recommend it because common sense suggests it's shit.

[StuartHopkin]

I realised the lowering your carb intake bit would be good for losing weight but I didnt understand how a diet could happily advocate meals that are covered in butter etc.

Some of them have 30g+ of fat a serving!

[Woodsey]

I realised the lowering your carb intake bit would be good for losing weight but I didnt understand how a diet could happily advocate meals that are covered in butter etc.

Some of them have 30g+ of fat a serving!

It possible to lower the carbs without stuffing your face with fat you know. Hold up I'm fat, why am I giving this advice 

[StuartHopkin]

Might not be explaining very well here. Not like me at all....

I realise that you could lower your carbs dramatically without increasing your fat intake.

However a flick through the recipes in this GI Diet book seemed to have a lot of what to me looked like pretty unhealthy meals due to them being very high in fat.

[Woodsey]

If you just stick to a meat/fish type dish with steamed veg your on track. There is nothing wrong with adding a nob of butter to the veg after you have cooked them. Lots of the recipes your looking at probably use loads of cheese, cream and other fatty sauces, no need for 'em imo.

Here's a list of carbs of various veg to give you an idea what you should eat/avoid.

http://www.lasting-weight-loss.com/low-carb-vegetables.html

[outragous76]

Might not be explaining very well here. Not like me at all....

I realise that you could lower your carbs dramatically without increasing your fat intake.

However a flick through the recipes in this GI Diet book seemed to have a lot of what to me looked like pretty unhealthy meals due to them being very high in fat.

The whole point is that the fat becomes the first port of call fo renergy consumption and therefore is never stored. Most of the fats tend to be simple fats to  (ie not transfats)

I am a fan of low carb eating, but the simple reality is that when you have done enough of it, you can cut out the fatty stuff, introduce good quality low GI carbs  and eat quite healthy, lose weight and not feel too grotty

eg

breakfast: porridge
lunch: egg based meal
dinner: meat with simple veg (spinach brocolli)

Im sure you would agree that although it is boring, its fairly healthy


I mean the intake matt is currently following is hardly high in carb (not sure whats in his flapjacks)

[Marky147]

Ketogenic diets I think he's talking about Stu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

[EvilPie]

Might not be explaining very well here. Not like me at all....

I realise that you could lower your carbs dramatically without increasing your fat intake.

However a flick through the recipes in this GI Diet book seemed to have a lot of what to me looked like pretty unhealthy meals due to them being very high in fat.

The whole point is that the fat becomes the first port of call fo renergy consumption and therefore is never stored. Most of the fats tend to be simple fats to  (ie not transfats)

From what I understand the body burns protein first because it can't store that?

That's why you have to take a protein shake after training because you've got none left and need to feed the muscles if you want them to grow.

The protein doesn't take long to burn though so it's gone pretty quick.

After that it's simple carbs (sugars, glycogen, red bull, energy drinks), complex carbs (potatoes, oats) then fat.

If you have no carbs in your body you will burn fat. Simple.

If you have eaten loads of fat you will burn that. If you haven't eaten loads of fat you will burn fat that is stored.

So basically if you go for a high protein, low carb, low fat diet (in percentage terms) you will lose weight.

If you aim for a 45/35/20 ratio for a total of 2200 calories and combine that with training you can't fail to lose weight.

[outragous76]

Matt

My understanding is different

The body uses Carb (simple), carb (complex), fats then protein.


Protein is a very poor source of energy. However, with regard to your training, protein is the only source of essential amino acids which the body breaks down and then uses for most bodily functions (eg rebuilding muscle tissue). Id imagine this is why it is very effective to intake protein immd after exercise.

As for everything else you said it is correct in terms of the bodies use of energy.

The other reason for weight loss (although this is disputed by some (im going to use the word scientists - it might not be correct) scientists), is that the body uses more energy in the release and burning of stored fat and therefore it ups the metabolic rate. Please note its the upping of the metabolic rate that is in dispute, not the fact it takes mroe energy to reutilise stored fats. The current thinking as I understand is that it impacts on the basal metalbolism (resting sleeping), but not remainder.

[EvilPie]

Perhaps I didn't explain it too well.

The body can only use a certain amount of protein to do all the funky stuff that protein does.

As protein can't be stored any excess is converted in to glucose and then used as energy.

As glucose is one of the sugary carbs it gets used first.

So it's not actually the protein that gets used it's the bit left over from any excess protein.

[Dewi_cool]

I have been on a high protein diet for 18 months, lost 55lb, however the diet i'm following allows for 40g of carbs a day, just had cholesterol checked and was fine, WILL i DIE?