IMPORTANT - Changes at the blonde Cardroom.

[tikay]

You need to keep it pithy if you want to make the Grand Junction Chroncicle.

Lol, how very perceptive. I might just, too.

I just told someone moments ago that the way I feel right now, I may well commit murder very soon.  A selection of victims is under consideration.

Then you Posted that!

[jakally]

Well yes, some Regulation would be nice, & ultimately, protect the players.

But really it's about messing with the free market, trying to manipulate supply & demand. Leave the market to it's own devices, & it will be fine. Interfere with free market forces & all hell will be let loose.

In reality, the situation that i-Poker are in, is not disimilar to that faced by many manufacturers who sell their wares through multiple distributors / retailers.
(i.e. their different customers bidding against each other for end user business, and therefore ultimately eroding margins).

I respect the fact that they are trying to take hold of the situation, and come up with a solution that is medium to long term sustainable.
Unless I am missing something, I cannot see the justification for calling them greedy / crooks - just out to make the best of their business, like most people out there.

[Royal Flush]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

[jakally]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

The charges are certainly OTT, but there does seem to be a clarity about their forward direction, and how they want their skins to behave - i.e. go out and recruit new players ....... players new to poker.

What has BP tried to do to achieve that............. pretty much nothing as far as I can see.

It doesn't make BP wrong in any way, but sometimes two partners have to agree to go their separate ways as they have different ideals and goals. This is one of those situations.

[Tonji]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

That really is astonishing. Somewhere there is data itemising each fraud, if they cannot show you this surely they are committing fraud against yourselves.

[Colchester Kev]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

The charges are certainly OTT, but there does seem to be a clarity about their forward direction, and how they want their skins to behave - i.e. go out and recruit new players ....... players new to poker.

What has BP tried to do to achieve that............. pretty much nothing as far as I can see.

It doesn't make BP wrong in any way, but sometimes two partners have to agree to go their separate ways as they have different ideals and goals. This is one of those situations.

Wrong wrong wrong Sir, we have brought a good number of new players to ipoker, some pretty big rakers too ... we cannot however keep these players because they win ... work that one out!  Now i assume when we close, they will go to another ipoker skin and be welcomed with open arms because that particular skin has a bigger number of players so that their losers will compensate for him.

[Jamier-Host]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

Ah, so Aqua don't have their own payment gateway?  Playtech run the cashier for you as well?

[Gazza]

i am just struggling to see the justification of a penalty for winning players, because it doesnt cost the skin any extra since their winnings come from losing players.

The issue is one of competition within the network

One might assume that IPoker actually owns two large skins and thus it wants to get as much business onto those skins as possible, and prevent players leaving those skins and playing on smaller skins

In essence IPoker is moving away from a skins model

No matter that we do not spend a penny on marketing, and pay rakeback less than many on the network, we are caught in the cross fire of those rooms who do and are seen as unfairly competing with Ipoker's favoured/owned skins (through which it makes a fortune)

Party did the same thing IIRC. Empire/Intertops/Multi + others helped them build up their player base then Party got greedy and tossed them off the network.

[TightEnd]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

Ah, so Aqua don't have their own payment gateway?  Playtech run the cashier for you as well?

Transferred on Playtech cashier about a year ago, at their/Aqua insistence

[TightEnd]

- i.e. go out and recruit new players ....... players new to poker.

What has BP tried to do to achieve that............. pretty much nothing as far as I can see.

Totally incorrect. Gross rake has doubled this year, the majority of that from players new to Ipoker via us and in no way cannivalising numbers on other skins

[maccol]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

Are you sure these bills aint coming from the Nigerian Foreign Minister?
Seriously though,if I was being hit with demands like that I would be insisting on a full breakdown and justification for every penny before paying them anything.
As you are all seasoned businessmen I assume this has been done.

[Royal Flush]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

The charges are certainly OTT, but there does seem to be a clarity about their forward direction, and how they want their skins to behave - i.e. go out and recruit new players ....... players new to poker.

What has BP tried to do to achieve that............. pretty much nothing as far as I can see.

It doesn't make BP wrong in any way, but sometimes two partners have to agree to go their separate ways as they have different ideals and goals. This is one of those situations.

Yeah don't want to harp on at you as kev and tighty have already said their piece but you couldn't be more wrong, we have aggressively sort to bring big rakers onto ipoker who haven't been on ipoker before.

[TightEnd]

Eeerm well we made the max deposit like 250$ then got 16k in chargebacks with no proof, what would you call them instead of crooks? That was 16k in a month, we always get 5k plus a month.

Are you sure these bills aint coming from the Nigerian Foreign Minister?
Seriously though,if I was being hit with demands like that I would be insisting on a full breakdown and justification for every penny before paying them anything.
As you are all seasoned businessmen I assume this has been done.

Yes thanks

I have a full breakdown. Not one name I recognise, and not one penny has been recovered.

I won't go on, but its a nasty situation with zero visibility for us into the cashier and therefore not a lot to fight back with

[the sicilian]

I assume the fraudulent deposits lose their money ?

[curnow]

can you transfer BP so it becomes a white skin under a big skin like BoylePoker just like BlackBeltPoker  , not sure if you get as much % rake but should not suffer fines + they can deal with cashier etc for you , if not may be better for Blonde to get good affiliate deal somewhere

It dont make sence what Ipoker does with there treatment of winning cash players , maybe it is to protect thier own skins ( Titan & CDpoker ) but do they only want the skins with Sportbooks on there