Stars tourney: QQ in position

[poonjoe]

OK I'm going to put up some hands from a tournament I played on Sunday.

Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/391706
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: t4000       M = 88.89
BB: t3395       M = 75.44
UTG: t2890       M = 64.22
UTG+1: t2950       M = 65.56
MP1: t2900       M = 64.44
MP2: t3460       M = 76.89
CO: t4450       M = 98.89
Hero (BTN): t2955       M = 65.67

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t120, 2 folds, CO calls t120, Hero...

[BulldozerD]

3bet to 450-500

[LeKnave]

id defo do a 'flat-call' and go for triple queens.

[StuartHopkin]

lol leknave ive flat called before, is doing a 'flat call' something different

i make it 410

[EvilPie]

I don't mind a call here tbh. I usually 3 bet but an occasional call is fine too.

If we hit a set it's so well hidden that nobody can ever put us on it. If we miss we're deep enough to get value further down the line on a decent board. At this early stage in this type of tournament someone will donk off their stack to us with A9 on a 9 high board.

[Royal Flush]

Either flat or 3bet, if we 3bet plz not one of these monster 3bet's 450-500 is crazy imo might as well shove, 360 would do the trick.

[poonjoe]

Only played two rounds and Villain had played three hands. He had raised once before this, from the blinds (no showdown).

At this early stage yes I can 3bet for value but then villain can put me in a difficult spot if he shoves, right? I don't want to race with AK for stacks, I don't want to be stacked by AA/KK, and I don't want 99-JJ/AQ etc folding to my 3-bet.

I chose to do a 'flat-call' and use position to i) try and avoid being stacked by AA/KK on a low board, ii) extract value from worse hands and iii) get out if the wrong board and the wrong action happens.

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t120, 2 folds, CO calls t120, Hero calls t120, 2 folds

Flop: (t405) (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t210, CO calls t210, Hero....

[pleno1]

3bet isnt bad obv but I dont mind flatting.

[pleno1]

Only played two rounds and Villain had played three hands. He had raised once before this, from the blinds (no showdown).

At this early stage yes I can 3bet for value but then villain can put me in a difficult spot if he shoves, right? I don't want to race with AK for stacks, I don't want to be stacked by AA/KK, and I don't want 99-JJ/AQ etc folding to my 3-bet.

I chose to do a 'flat-call' and use position to i) try and avoid being stacked by AA/KK on a low board, ii) extract value from worse hands and iii) get out if the wrong board and the wrong action happens.

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t120, 2 folds, CO calls t120, Hero calls t120, 2 folds

Flop: (t405) 4 4 4 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t210, CO calls t210, Hero....

I dont mind over shoving here, and expect to get called from 77-JJ most of the time and even sometimes a funky AK.

[EvilPie]

At this early stage yes I can 3bet for value but then villain can put me in a difficult spot if he shoves, right? I don't want to race with AK for stacks, I don't want to be stacked by AA/KK, and I don't want 99-JJ/AQ etc folding to my 3-bet.

In a stars $50 tournament you're not in a difficult spot if he shoves. The only difficulty should be bringing your finger down from the ceiling to click the call button before you time out.

[StuartHopkin]

Only played two rounds and Villain had played three hands. He had raised once before this, from the blinds (no showdown).

At this early stage yes I can 3bet for value but then villain can put me in a difficult spot if he shoves, right? I don't want to race with AK for stacks, I don't want to be stacked by AA/KK, and I don't want 99-JJ/AQ etc folding to my 3-bet.

I chose to do a 'flat-call' and use position to i) try and avoid being stacked by AA/KK on a low board, ii) extract value from worse hands and iii) get out if the wrong board and the wrong action happens.

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t120, 2 folds, CO calls t120, Hero calls t120, 2 folds

Flop: (t405) 4 4 4 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t210, CO calls t210, Hero....

I dont mind over shoving here, and expect to get called from 77-JJ most of the time and even sometimes a funky AK.

As played there is no need to over shove as there is only 2 cards to come and possible 6 outs between them. We want to drag all their chips in.

[Junior Senior]

do a fold... and wait for a better spot?

[EvilPie]

do a fold... and wait for a better spot?

Pre flop or now?

Either way WTF!!!!! Please tell me you're joking?

[pleno1]

do a fold... and wait for a better spot?

when? how? why?

[poonjoe]

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with 
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t120, 2 folds, CO calls t120, Hero calls t120, 2 folds

Flop: (t405)    (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t210, CO calls t210, Hero calls t210

Turn: (t1035) (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero....