BvB nl100 vs reg call/shove/fold?

[CounterfeitKing]

First thread here on PHA so thought I'd ask you guys opinions on a situation I find myself in alot.

Villian is a big winning reg, 10/8/4%3bet over 40k hands.

We probably should have history over 40k hands but i dont really remember much, only notes i have are "calls my double barrel on 89T9 board with KQo then bets 3/4 pot on x river as bluff, i call with 22 and scoop".

Villian sees me as 18/15/4%3bet, I happen to have been caught bluffing twice recently on this table.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG: $48.10
UTG+1: $103.00
MP1: $51.50
MP2: $157.80
CO: $119.75
BTN: $55.00
SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $143.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 
6 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, SB raises to $24, Hero..??

We are 100bb deep what do you like to do?

Shoving seems bad, as if he calls im screwed, although it could be really good for future metagame seeing as we will no doubt be playing 1000s of hands together.

I cant really 5bet fold, i can 5bet to 48$ and call if he shoves because im pot committed, that seems like a feasable option because i think he folds to my 5bet alot.

Calling seems like my best option, its only 14$ to call and pot will be 48$, with 76$ behind so leaves room for me to fold or for me to bluff him off his hand. Also my hand will be competely disguised and i have position.

Can always fold but it just didnt feel right this hand.

Dont flame me just want your guys opinions, no 1 word answers please.

[boldie]

Fold >>>> flat after he raises to $3 for me. Why did you have the urge to raise him there?

[pleno1]

its 100nl, why are we trying to complicate ourselves 5betting with 74o? Surely better spots on tbl?

[Cottonbud]

Wow. This guy is a total nit he opens 8% of hands and you want to 3bet him with 7-4o this is not a profitable play. Just fold, just because he bluffed you once in the past with KQo doesnt mean anything tbh. You have position sure but this guys range is pretty small given his stats, whats his 4betting range?! I imagine tiny which makes this a snap fold for me, just wait for a better spot dude.. next time 3bet him with a premium and get it in.

[GreekStein]

Yeah just pass.

[gatso]

Shoving seems bad, as if he calls im screwed, although it could be really good for future metagame seeing as we will no doubt be playing 1000s of hands together.

you've played 40k hands with him and remember nothing about how he plays, what makes you think he's going to remember this particular hand?

[titaniumbean]

if you're 3 betting 74o it's always with the intention of folding....

[Royal Flush]

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG: $48.10
UTG+1: $103.00
MP1: $51.50
MP2: $157.80
CO: $119.75
BTN: $55.00
SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $143.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 
6 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero folds.

Glad to help

[Horneris]

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG: $48.10
UTG+1: $103.00
MP1: $51.50
MP2: $157.80
CO: $119.75
BTN: $55.00
SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $143.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with    
6 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, SB raises to $24, Hero raises to $143.00 and is all in

[kinboshi]

if you're 3 betting 74o it's always with the intention of folding....

I'm with the Beanster here. 

Your bet is a bluff, and what are you hoping to achieve with the 4-bet call?  Surely this will be a massive leak, especially at 100NL.

[CounterfeitKing]

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $48.10
UTG+1: $103.00
MP1: $51.50
MP2: $157.80
CO: $119.75
BTN: $55.00
SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $143.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 
6 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero folds.

Glad to help

The 3-bet is fine tbh, regs are raising BTN and SB ATC and obviously the value I lose over 1 hand in a vacuum is minimal but over 100k's hands its obviously a lot so thats not the issue.

If I had shoved would my hand have become suited? that is cool.

I think I explained my process in decision of 4betcall/5betbluff, hows the theory?

[CounterfeitKing]

you've played 40k hands with him and remember nothing about how he plays, what makes you think he's going to remember this particular hand?

I mean, can i really assume that just because I don't remember he doesnt? I dont know but he may only play 6 or so tables so for all I know he has a shit load of notes on me and remembers me by sn?

[titaniumbean]

The 3-bet is fine tbh, regs are raising BTN and SB ATC and obviously the value I lose over 1 hand in a vacuum is minimal but over 100k's hands its obviously a lot so thats not the issue.

If I had shoved would my hand have become suited? that is cool.

I think I explained my process in decision of 4betcall/5betbluff, hows the theory?

The 3 bet is fine if you're 3 bet folding, this is not the hand to be getting stubborn to a 10/8's 4 bet, dont care if it's blind on blind.


The theory is terrible to 4 bet call or 5 bet bluff.


What is his ATS stat? What range does he open bvb.  is he a life nit till it gets bvb then he 4 bet folds with 100% frequency, if he has that game style then a 5 bet shove is uber profitable.

If not man up and click the fold button waving good bye to your 3 bet.

[Royal Flush]

The 3-bet is fine tbh, regs are raising BTN and SB ATC and obviously the value I lose over 1 hand in a vacuum is minimal but over 100k's hands its obviously a lot so thats not the issue.

I thought he was a nit not ATC, even if it is 3b every time someone opens from the SB is going to be slightly explotable.

If I had shoved would my hand have become suited? that is cool.

Eh?

[doubleup]

regs are raising BTN and SB ATC

ppl with his stats are not getting into levelling wars, they are just sticking it in with a good hand against ppl who are trying to outlevel them.

Do you have HEM?  It will tell you what villains sb/button open raising % are - I'd be surprised if it is anywhere near ATC.