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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2009, 02:56:08 PM »


With stack sizes i'd prob want to raise something small ~185, kinda depends because he's alot more happy to put it in himself than he is to call it off.


Yeah I really like this.

As played I think this is prob the best route to go down though as someone else said in the thread I like a lead on the flop once the 3-bettor checks. It also makes your life easier down the streets.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2009, 03:11:18 PM »

Had Mr Nowab been drinking, that kind of affects it massively. One read is solid tricky player, other is 1 hand glass of wine other hand shovel the chips in.



With stack sizes i'd prob want to raise something small ~185, kinda depends because he's alot more happy to put it in himself than he is to call it off.

He could well have Overs/gutshot or just a delayed cbet, possibly TT/JJ.


If you flat turn and river is non club, K or Q then we're mentally golden but he may not have much of a hand to pay us off with; if you raise turn and he folds out his whiffed hands, calls his more marginal holdings and jams his combo-ish draws then we're obviously getting value on the turn. Once the river hits though if the turn has gone bet call we could be put in some really icky spots with stack sizes on clubs or a K/Q if he just leads out/open jams into us.



If you flat the £75, and the pot goes heads up, there will be £255 in there and you will get another £150 or so out of him if he value bets worse or bluffs, or check-calls worse on the river. It would be really strange if he check-raised the river once you have flatted turn, so I wouldn't be worried about that.

What makes my brain hurt about this hand is that you can get your £150 of value on pretty much any river card, given that you have flatted the turn and under-repped your hand. You want to raise turn to protect your hand and build the pot, BUT then at least one-third of the deck will either kill your hand or kill your value on the river, if he even calls your raise.

What about the two players behind? I guess you could stay on the down-low with one player left to act, but two? You could invite them into the pot but you will have to fold some rivers. You could come out of the closet and make it £175 with £300 behind. Urggghhhhhhh but then Simon Nowab is good enough to fold his top pairs/over pairs and call with his draws, and you lose value from all the crappy hands behind you that would flat Simon's £75.

You could shove and be happy with the £180. But you have a set. You make more than £180 when the river comes a safe card, but you could lose a chunk if it comes A, K, Q, 9, 8 or club, especially in a multi-way pot. Thats half the deck.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2009, 03:25:01 PM »

With Mitch's image he can raise more than £185 and still get action. I 'd say there's nothing wrong with anything in between £250 and the shipping the lot, Simon will still call him sometimes as can be pretty loose. I want to get more than £185 in with so many possible draws.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 03:36:58 PM »

With Mitch's image he can raise more than £185 and still get action. I 'd say there's nothing wrong with anything in between £250 and the shipping the lot, Simon will still call him sometimes as can be pretty loose. I want to get more than £185 in with so many possible draws.

Yeah but the £185 is to induce Simon to move in. He'll do this with a wider range that what he'll call a shove with.

Both very viable options tho.
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2009, 03:49:39 PM »

With Mitch's image he can raise more than £185 and still get action. I 'd say there's nothing wrong with anything in between £250 and the shipping the lot, Simon will still call him sometimes as can be pretty loose. I want to get more than £185 in with so many possible draws.

Yeah but the £185 is to induce Simon to move in. He'll do this with a wider range that what he'll call a shove with.

Both very viable options tho.

I just don't like that amount, asking to get sucked out IMO but meh, each to their own.
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2009, 03:52:00 PM »

i love 200 but would flat too occasionally.
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2009, 05:10:56 PM »

OK,

Well i decide to flat the £75 and hope Simon pumps the river as i really cant find a hand he would take this line with. Surely this is a board he can get action on by betting out with one of the other two possible sets in this situation against 3 other players who have called a reasonable size raise pre.

The cut off puts his last 85 in and announces 'value' and the button passes.

River comes  and Simon checks after a short pause.

Would he ever check this river with KQ? Im 90% sure he has to bet to get value as he would be sick if i checked behind with AJ.

How much to value bet? Any more clue to what people think he might have as this is obv important in deciding the bet size (Pot £340). With the shortie being all in he is never going to come over the top of a weak bet with air as he has to show his hand down, so he either has something or he doesnt and will fold.  Suggestions???

Oh and in response to his 'physical state' he was on the old JD but was by no means drunk and was possibly steaming a little after losing a couple of pots before but deffo not on monkey raging tilt!
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2009, 05:12:21 PM »

Bet £195, fold to a shove.
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2009, 05:18:05 PM »

Bet £195, fold to a shove.

Like the bet but don't think I would fold to a shove... but then again not expecting a shove back...
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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2009, 05:28:24 PM »

Bet £195, fold to a shove.

I think your winding us up here.........
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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2009, 05:30:35 PM »

Bet £195, fold to a shove.

I think your winding us up here.........

oh are you talking about after the river?
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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2009, 05:34:48 PM »

Fold pre. Fold flop. Fold turn.

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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2009, 07:07:30 PM »

Bet £195, fold to a shove.

I think your winding us up here.........

oh are you talking about after the river?

Yeah obviously after the river.

I sigh call after the river anyway but it's not the right play. Chubbs is never shoving worse than a bigger set.
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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2009, 07:37:38 PM »

£155 ftw
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2009, 01:54:32 AM »

£155 ftw

I went for £165 (FYL You were miles away mr bean!)

Simon dwells and calls with 

As it is if i bet the flop we can get it all in but n/m, still a nice pot....hard to put him on aces to squeeze the value out tho!

Prob should raise the turn as i think the biggest part of his range will be some kind of flush/ and or straight draw leading the turn but it all turned out rosey. 
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