dont go to the gym....

[gatso]

look about 3 posts above yours tom. laz mentioned it later on

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look about 3 posts above yours tom. laz mentioned it later on

Meh.

[sovietsong]

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

[EvilPie]

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

When nobody else has an influence on them.

Laz was responsible for his action. The person who sprinkled a bit of grit on the path was responsible for his/hers.

Laz's action was to walk to his car. Because of someone making a bad job of gritting a path Laz's action could not be completed safely.

If the path was dangerous the gym should've been closed. Either that or they should make it safe.

They did neither hence they are liable. In my opinion of course. In court they may not be.

[sovietsong]

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

When nobody else has an influence on them.

Laz was responsible for his action. The person who sprinkled a bit of grit on the path was responsible for his/hers.

Laz's action was to walk to his car. Because of someone making a bad job of gritting a path Laz's action could not be completed safely.

If the path was dangerous the gym should've been closed. Either that or they should make it safe.

They did neither hence they are liable. In my opinion of course. In court they may not be.

I just think its all gone a bit far, in my old house when it was cold the steps leading to the house were a nightmare, my mum fell down them on an icy day (also broke her ankle), now could she claim I should have warned her, could she sue my landlord or should she be more careful during icy weather?

[EvilPie]

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

When nobody else has an influence on them.

Laz was responsible for his action. The person who sprinkled a bit of grit on the path was responsible for his/hers.

Laz's action was to walk to his car. Because of someone making a bad job of gritting a path Laz's action could not be completed safely.

If the path was dangerous the gym should've been closed. Either that or they should make it safe.

They did neither hence they are liable. In my opinion of course. In court they may not be.

I just think its all gone a bit far, in my old house when it was cold the steps leading to the house were a nightmare, my mum fell down them on an icy day (also broke her ankle), now could she claim I should have warned her, could she sue my landlord or should she be more careful during icy weather?

Of course she could. She obviously wouldn't because she's your mum so doesn't apportion blame to anyonewhen this happens at your house.

What if your mum had fallen down the steps of her local tesco whilst fetching her shopping. You then find out that the steps were icy and that by a simple application of grit she wouldn't have suffered the same injury.

Would you be a little bit upset at Tesco? Or would you just say "don't worry about it mum. Let's just forget about it because this blame culture's gone too far"

Yes, sometimes people put in ridiculous claims but if it's genuine negligence I can't see any problem with claiming at all.

[sovietsong]

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

When nobody else has an influence on them.

Laz was responsible for his action. The person who sprinkled a bit of grit on the path was responsible for his/hers.

Laz's action was to walk to his car. Because of someone making a bad job of gritting a path Laz's action could not be completed safely.

If the path was dangerous the gym should've been closed. Either that or they should make it safe.

They did neither hence they are liable. In my opinion of course. In court they may not be.

I just think its all gone a bit far, in my old house when it was cold the steps leading to the house were a nightmare, my mum fell down them on an icy day (also broke her ankle), now could she claim I should have warned her, could she sue my landlord or should she be more careful during icy weather?

Of course she could. She obviously wouldn't because she's your mum so doesn't apportion blame to anyonewhen this happens at your house.

What if your mum had fallen down the steps of her local tesco whilst fetching her shopping. You then find out that the steps were icy and that by a simple application of grit she wouldn't have suffered the same injury.

Would you be a little bit upset at Tesco? Or would you just say "don't worry about it mum. Let's just forget about it because this blame culture's gone too far"

Yes, sometimes people put in ridiculous claims but if it's genuine negligence I can't see any problem with claiming at all.

my mum did actually put a claim in, 3k it cost me... thats why i hate claiming so much!

[byronkincaid]

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

When nobody else has an influence on them.

Laz was responsible for his action. The person who sprinkled a bit of grit on the path was responsible for his/hers.

Laz's action was to walk to his car. Because of someone making a bad job of gritting a path Laz's action could not be completed safely.

If the path was dangerous the gym should've been closed. Either that or they should make it safe.

They did neither hence they are liable. In my opinion of course. In court they may not be.

I just think its all gone a bit far, in my old house when it was cold the steps leading to the house were a nightmare, my mum fell down them on an icy day (also broke her ankle), now could she claim I should have warned her, could she sue my landlord or should she be more careful during icy weather?

Of course she could. She obviously wouldn't because she's your mum so doesn't apportion blame to anyonewhen this happens at your house.

What if your mum had fallen down the steps of her local tesco whilst fetching her shopping. You then find out that the steps were icy and that by a simple application of grit she wouldn't have suffered the same injury.

Would you be a little bit upset at Tesco? Or would you just say "don't worry about it mum. Let's just forget about it because this blame culture's gone too far"

Yes, sometimes people put in ridiculous claims but if it's genuine negligence I can't see any problem with claiming at all.

my mum did actually put a claim in, 3k it cost me... thats why i hate claiming so much!

wat please elaborate, what did she spend your 3K on? did lawyers take a big lump? are you still on speaking terms?

[sovietsong]

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

When nobody else has an influence on them.

Laz was responsible for his action. The person who sprinkled a bit of grit on the path was responsible for his/hers.

Laz's action was to walk to his car. Because of someone making a bad job of gritting a path Laz's action could not be completed safely.

If the path was dangerous the gym should've been closed. Either that or they should make it safe.

They did neither hence they are liable. In my opinion of course. In court they may not be.

I just think its all gone a bit far, in my old house when it was cold the steps leading to the house were a nightmare, my mum fell down them on an icy day (also broke her ankle), now could she claim I should have warned her, could she sue my landlord or should she be more careful during icy weather?

Of course she could. She obviously wouldn't because she's your mum so doesn't apportion blame to anyonewhen this happens at your house.

What if your mum had fallen down the steps of her local tesco whilst fetching her shopping. You then find out that the steps were icy and that by a simple application of grit she wouldn't have suffered the same injury.

Would you be a little bit upset at Tesco? Or would you just say "don't worry about it mum. Let's just forget about it because this blame culture's gone too far"

Yes, sometimes people put in ridiculous claims but if it's genuine negligence I can't see any problem with claiming at all.

my mum did actually put a claim in, 3k it cost me... thats why i hate claiming so much!

wat please elaborate, what did she spend your 3K on? did lawyers take a big lump? are you still on speaking terms?

she just bought loads of re-usable bags from asda.  we are speaking now, i've accepted it was my fault.  she wasnt going to claim but noticed i'd put a little grit down and then she knew she had me...

[byronkincaid]

where do you live, might pop round for a visit one day

[gatso]

she just bought loads of re-usable bags from asda.  we are speaking now, i've accepted it was my fault.  she wasnt going to claim but noticed i'd put a little grit down and then she knew she had me...

that just seems like a waste. the whole point of the reusable ones is you don't need loads, you just reuse the ones you've got. and if you get those bag for life ones they replace them for free when they wear out

[Karabiner]

The best claim that I heard of was some American bloke who bought one of those RV's(big mobile-home thingys) and took it out onto the highway for his first long trip and then put it into cruise-control.

He then went into the back to make himself a cup of coffee and was unpleasantly surprised when the RV could not actually operate on what he must have presumed was auto-pilot and predictably to anyone else but him, crashed.

He sued the manufacturers and won a considerable sum in damages as the court found that it had not been made sufficiently clear that the vehicle could not steer itself when in cruise-control !

Now that could only happen in America.

[G1BTW]

The best claim that I heard of was some American bloke who bought one of those RV's(big mobile-home thingys) and took it out onto the highway for his first long trip and then put it into cruise-control.

He then went into the back to make himself a cup of coffee and was unpleasantly surprised when the RV could not actually operate on what he must have presumed was auto-pilot and predictably to anyone else but him, crashed.

He sued the manufacturers and won a considerable sum in damages as the court found that it had not been made sufficiently clear that the vehicle could not steer itself when in cruise-control !

Now that could only happen in America.

lmao

Loved the guy who bought a McDonald's coffee then spilt it all over his nads, got like $1M, very surprised to find out coffee is hot.

[G1BTW]

"""""79 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns on her groin and inner thighs while trying to add sugar to her coffee at a McDonalds drive through. Third degree burns are the most serious kind of burn. McDonalds knew it had a problem. There were at least 700 previous cases of scalding coffee incidents at McDonalds before Liebeck's case. McDonalds had settled many claim before but refused Liebeck's request for $20,000 compensation, forcing the case into court. Lawyers found that McDonalds makes its coffee 30-50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, about 190 degrees. Doctors testified that it only takes 2-7 seconds to cause a third degree burn at 190 degrees. McDonalds knew its coffee was exceptionally hot but testified that they had never consulted with burn specialist. The Shriner Burn Institute had previously warned McDonalds not to serve coffee above 130 degrees. And so the jury came back with a decision- $160,000 for compensatory damages. But because McDonalds was guilty of "willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct" punitive damages were also applied. The jury set the award at $2.7 million. The judge then reduced the fine to less than half a million. Ms. Liebeck then settled with McDonalds for a sum reported to be much less than a half million dollars. McDonald's coffee is now sold at the same temperature as most other restaurants. """""

[sovietsong]

thank god for that, at least mcd's have learnt there lesson