Monday's 20/20 @ DTD

[EvilPie]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

Because I live 5 minutes down the road I call. Online I call. If I was in London miles away from home I probably do a crying fold.

[EvilPie]

I might be being a bit negative here but we've got 80 odd bbs and a flush draw.

Do we really want to get the lot in?

2 overs and a flush draw in a quick structured comp.

Id be happy getting it in here.

We must however make sure we manoeuvre the betting so we are the ones getting our chips in first and making him call off.

Yeah I forgot how quick the structure was.

Just open shove the flop then.

It's obvious that we're on a draw but at least we get maximum FE. I assume we're looking to take the pot rather than have a showdown where we might lose?

You scare me sometimes.

If you have been 3 bet pre by someone in position and then 4 bet james on the flop what would be your calling range here if you were villain?

Think it was a level Blatch

A semi lvele I think - he doesnt want to get the lot in 'ere

To be honest I'd look to getting the lot in on the flop if I thought there was a chance of oppo folding. If he seems the sort to call me with an overpair I prefer to wait for another spot. It's a quick structure but we're still pretty deep and don't need a 50 50 just yet.

To answer the question about the calling range I think by the time that many bets have happened most of my stack is in the middle so I'm calling with whatever I've got unless I was bluffing with air and no draw. I'm not getting that far without minimum of JJ or a good draw so I'm calling 100% of the time.

So Matt what would u do? Check the flop back?

Yes. I honestly don't want it all in here if I don't have to.

If we check back and hit we probably get paid anyway. There's loads of donks in that comp who'll pay us off. No need to join them by getting it in with a draw, albeit a very good one.

[GreekStein]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

Because I live 5 minutes down the road I call. Online I call. If I was in London miles away from home I probably do a crying fold.

Call if you're in the South West of Vanuatu nevermind Notts or London.

[gatso]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

beat him into the middle. this is what we want him to do when we bet this flop

[George2Loose]

I might be being a bit negative here but we've got 80 odd bbs and a flush draw.

Do we really want to get the lot in?

2 overs and a flush draw in a quick structured comp.

Id be happy getting it in here.

We must however make sure we manoeuvre the betting so we are the ones getting our chips in first and making him call off.

Yeah I forgot how quick the structure was.

Just open shove the flop then.

It's obvious that we're on a draw but at least we get maximum FE. I assume we're looking to take the pot rather than have a showdown where we might lose?

You scare me sometimes.

If you have been 3 bet pre by someone in position and then 4 bet james on the flop what would be your calling range here if you were villain?

Think it was a level Blatch

A semi lvele I think - he doesnt want to get the lot in 'ere

To be honest I'd look to getting the lot in on the flop if I thought there was a chance of oppo folding. If he seems the sort to call me with an overpair I prefer to wait for another spot. It's a quick structure but we're still pretty deep and don't need a 50 50 just yet.

To answer the question about the calling range I think by the time that many bets have happened most of my stack is in the middle so I'm calling with whatever I've got unless I was bluffing with air and no draw. I'm not getting that far without minimum of JJ or a good draw so I'm calling 100% of the time.

So Matt what would u do? Check the flop back?

Yes. I honestly don't want it all in here if I don't have to.

If we check back and hit we probably get paid anyway. There's loads of donks in that comp who'll pay us off. No need to join them by getting it in with a draw, albeit a very good one.

I don't think you're going to win as big a pot if the spade hits the turn. Obv villian dependant (hence saying I may check back the flop for deception)

[bobby1]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

and thats the prob Tom, everyone is talking about getting it all in seemingly without thinking about how its going to get all in. You bet , he moves in and now you are calling with your draw having to hit to win.

[Blatch]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

Ummmmm hopefully leave him at the table with a broken neck after you have nsapped him off so hard.

I dont like the bet size TBH, would bet far less to try to enable myself to be the one getting the all in first.

[Blatch]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

and thats the prob Tom, everyone is talking about getting it all in seemingly without thinking about how its going to get all in. You bet , he moves in and now you are calling with your draw having to hit to win.

Not everyone

[George2Loose]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

and thats the prob Tom, everyone is talking about getting it all in seemingly without thinking about how its going to get all in. You bet , he moves in and now you are calling with your draw having to hit to win.

See Neil's post below- if the c-bet is smaller you should be shoving instead of opponent.

[gatso]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

and thats the prob Tom, everyone is talking about getting it all in seemingly without thinking about how its going to get all in. You bet , he moves in and now you are calling with your draw having to hit to win.

See Neil's post below- if the c-bet is smaller you should be shoving instead of opponent.

how do you know what neil's going to post about below?

[EvilPie]

Given what's in the pot and the fact that we're probably on a 50 50 then it has to be a call I guess.

I prefer to check the flop though. It hides our draw very well. Everyone c bets a draw in this spot which is why I don't think oppo will be scared if another spade hits the turn. If he's got an over pair and a spade drops on the turn I think he looks to get it in in case we have a single spade and we might hit.

[George2Loose]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

and thats the prob Tom, everyone is talking about getting it all in seemingly without thinking about how its going to get all in. You bet , he moves in and now you are calling with your draw having to hit to win.

See Neil's post below- if the c-bet is smaller you should be shoving instead of opponent.

how do you know what neil's going to post about below?

Cos we're champs. We know what each other is gonna post (Or I meant the post below's Bobby)

[bobby1]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

and thats the prob Tom, everyone is talking about getting it all in seemingly without thinking about how its going to get all in. You bet , he moves in and now you are calling with your draw having to hit to win.

See Neil's post below- if the c-bet is smaller you should be shoving instead of opponent.

but how many chips are we talking about here, between 500 and 800. its not going to change his play much if he reraises you is it, he isnt going to leave 3k behind and most of the time just moves in.

Point accepted Blatch, most people havent considered what he has or how the money is going in.

[George2Loose]

Given what's in the pot and the fact that we're probably on a 50 50 then it has to be a call I guess.

I prefer to check the flop though. It hides our draw very well. Everyone c bets a draw in this spot which is why I don't think oppo will be scared if another spade hits the turn. If he's got an over pair and a spade drops on the turn I think he looks to get it in in case we have a single spade and we might hit.

But we're not just repping AKss here are we? It's not the only hand in our range. Do you check a lot of your range here?

[MANTIS01]

You think it's time to talk about smoothing pre yet folks or shall I come back later?