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« on: January 15, 2010, 08:05:10 PM »

Ok, this hand is from tilt early $162. Had been playing pretty tight pre antes, got moved from a table full of frenchys to this table with a couple of sickos. Opponent had flatted about 50% of the hands i had seen at this table. I know him as a very good reg. I have history with him on stars, but not sure if he knows im same person on tilt, as i have dif names. On flop i just felt pretty bad check folding to him. I guess it prob turns my hand face up as a hand with marginal show down, i.e a ton of A high stuff. So the fact he still bets the turn.....
On the river when i checked to him he time banked for about 40 seconds and then shoved...
surely his value range is thin here?? AJ 33 44 only... but maybe not even AJ.
I asked a few people about this hand and got mixed responses. A good player i know said he has played a ton with opponent and he loves a bluff so snaps off on river.. but i just cnt see this as being some random bluff.. maybe somethign like 88 or 99 that he has turned into a bluff?
Just fold river?

Date: 2010/01/13 17:06:55 ET
Type: Tournament (126773901)
Game: Hold'em NL
Table: 30
Blinds:  $100/200

Table info:
Seat 1: xROUNDER12x ($7,540)
Seat 2: nabjuna ($1,640)
Seat 3: railtard1 ($13,100)
Seat 4: Bourbonftw ($4,615)
Seat 5: farno ($17,652) 
Seat 6: NeverScaredB ($11,616)
Posts small blind $100
Seat 7: dreampokerman ($20,473)
Posts big blind $200
Seat 8: Roy Winston ($4,457)
Seat 9: grand slam xv ($10,885)

Dealt to railtard1
 
 

Preflop: (Pot: $300)
FOLD grand slam xv
FOLD xROUNDER12x
FOLD nabjuna
RAISE railtard1, to $490
FOLD Bourbonftw
FOLD farno
CALL NeverScaredB, $490
FOLD dreampokerman
FOLD Roy Winston

Flop: (Pot: $1,280)
     

CHECK railtard1
BET NeverScaredB, $875
CALL railtard1, $875

Turn: (Pot: $3,030)
     
CHECK railtard1
BET NeverScaredB, $2,000
CALL railtard1, $2,000

River: (Pot: $7,030)
     
CHECK railtard1
BET NeverScaredB, $8,251 and is ALL-IN

Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 08:10:47 PM »

Why would he be betting that turn card with 88/99, to start an early bluff? or v thin merged value or what?

Looks alot more like sets, QT, picked up spades/ a bluff, I think I would cawl.

Surely if hes going value town bet bet bet he would make it 2500 on turn to get stacks in without an over bet on the river?

just how wide is his flop stabbing range in reality?
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 08:34:40 PM »

what does my hand look like though? Top of my range is AQ / AK i guess. other stuff like 88 /99 even J9, JT i am likely to fold on turn... i dunno, i really levelled myself in this hand
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 08:41:37 PM »

as i said this is a v good hand for analysis. I'm a little stumped.

If it's a bluff I think it's pretty sick.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2010, 05:03:30 AM »

the range your repping is pretty weird. For him to jam the river, he either has air and thinks you dont have much or thinks you have 2 pair + or may level yourself. Rly rly gay spot, as played i fold i think
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2010, 07:07:23 AM »

yeh i really played retarded on flop, but after that the turn plays itself.... then the river, as i said, he tanked for liek 40 seconds before jamming for slightly more than pot. Levelled myself so hard on this hand!
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2010, 07:59:14 AM »

set  of 3's or 4's is my guess, and puts you on AK and doesnt think u would lay it down
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2010, 12:52:38 PM »

Why do we raise so small pre? Why do we check the flop? Why do we then call the flop?
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2010, 02:03:29 PM »

sorry, think im being dumb/hh error, but how are we oop when he posted a blind?

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2010, 02:05:56 PM »

sorry, think im being dumb/hh error, but how are we oop when he posted a blind?



Think it is an hh error, as 2 people act after villian preflop.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2010, 02:07:37 PM »

sorry, think im being dumb/hh error, but how are we oop when he posted a blind?



Think it is an hh error, as 2 people act after villian preflop.

u think villain coldcalled the button (my guess)? railtard 1 get the right hh pls, makes a huge difference to his pre calling range and line.



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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2010, 02:09:07 PM »

sorry, think im being dumb/hh error, but how are we oop when he posted a blind?



Think it is an hh error, as 2 people act after villian preflop.

u think villain coldcalled the button (my guess)? railtard 1 get the right hh pls, makes a huge difference to his pre calling range and line.





That would be my best guess, Alex.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2010, 02:09:48 PM »

sorry, think im being dumb/hh error, but how are we oop when he posted a blind?



Cleary seats 7 and 8 post.
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2010, 06:45:53 PM »

i mean, is it really that taxing?? im sorry the HH is slightly incorrect, copied from poker hand and must have messed up along the way... neverscaredB flatted on the button.
What is wrong with raising  slightly under 2.5x at this stage? if he is flatting that he will flat 3x no??
yeh flop line is weird as i said, was gona check / fold, but it felt pretty weak to him. Flop being error, (AS I ALL READY SAID) what do i do on river AS PLAYED..
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2010, 07:11:38 PM »

what do i do on river AS PLAYED..

Hit the timebank and write out 10 times "i will not spew like this again today"
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