after flop line, wtf do i do here?

[pokerfan]

what do i do on river AS PLAYED..

Hit the timebank and write out 10 times "i will not spew like this again today"

^^^Genius

[AlexMartin]

i mean, is it really that taxing?? im sorry the HH is slightly incorrect, copied from poker hand and must have messed up along the way... neverscaredB flatted on the button.
What is wrong with raising  slightly under 2.5x at this stage? if he is flatting that he will flat 3x no??
yeh flop line is weird as i said, was gona check / fold, but it felt pretty weak to him. Flop being error, (AS I ALL READY SAID) what do i do on river AS PLAYED..

ok, soz, just hate stuff like that. Like when someone grabs u during a break at some live donkament and goes to describe a hand willy nilly without stacksize/blinds/position/reads etc. Really fking tilting, let me smoke in peace. Makes so much difference.

Pre i dunno, flop looks tez, as played its a horrid high variance spot, i mean ur at the top of ur range but given how uv played the hand villain can be vshipping a much wider value range given he coldcalled otb. kick urself for that flop gift.

[GreekStein]

hate stuff like that. Like when someone grabs u during a break at some live donkament and goes to describe a hand willy nilly without stacksize/blinds/position/reads etc.

Sure won't do this every time I see you from now on.

[railtard1]

as i said / you said flop is bad / spewy... BUT, surely this makes his value range super thin by river? i mean my hand cnt look like 88-tt after my turn c/c. So he has to have 33 or 44... MAYBE AJ, but then i have to have exactly AQ.. mehh, i duno as i said, i levelled my self sooo hard here...
i guess check fold flop or bet fold flop FTW.

p.s I p.m'd neverscared on pocket fives and asked him what he had if he remembers..

[AlexMartin]

fkit, this hand has me stumped. Ur hand looks like complete bollocks, but possibly as strong as fuck, he cant handread u here, which i think makes this a fold. tilt call and get showon Q10ss

[railtard1]

Yeh pretty tough spot...  wp on flop by me [  ]

[NigDawG]

haha don't ever fold to neverscaredb

also i think he will know its you

[piestack]

i think the turn is rubbish too.
when you hit the turn, why do you call? if it's for him to bluff the river then you call river.
if you think he's betting turn knowing you're strong anyway etc, then just fold turn (having already folded flop) etc

as played, it depends how much he likes to bluff as it's not a great turn to 3 barrel bluff.

other things that would help are eg knowing whether he raises or calls more pre in position (ie how he plays small pairs), as well as knowing river bluffing frequencies etc

[Royal Flush]

other things that would help are eg knowing whether he raises or calls more pre in position (ie how he plays small pairs), as well as knowing river bluffing frequencies etc

lol he 3b a small pair pre 0% of the time, just like anyone else with a clue.

[railtard1]

i think the turn is rubbish too.
when you hit the turn, why do you call? if it's for him to bluff the river then you call river.
if you think he's betting turn knowing you're strong anyway etc, then just fold turn (having already folded flop) etc

as played, it depends how much he likes to bluff as it's not a great turn to 3 barrel bluff.

other things that would help are eg knowing whether he raises or calls more pre in position (ie how he plays small pairs), as well as knowing river bluffing frequencies etc

man i got a ton of good advice in thread, but to be honest, im not sure how much i agree with you here. I mean, unless im completely stupid the turn plays itself, all i can do is check call. Check folding is pretty dumb and check raising just as bad (WITH stack sizes etc).
And OF COURSE he is NEVER 3betting me with a small pair here.
Also why is it not a good turn for him to barrel?? It is likely to fold out 88-tt type hands. Its just the river, its so strong for him to bet after i call the turn IMO. The fact he time banked for 40 seconds before jamming for slightly more than pot is something that i thought may have been mentioned... maybe not important, i dont know?

[Royal Flush]

Just a silly hand to discuss as its such an unusual spot to be in because you took the worst possible lines to get here.

It's like asking us to analyse the tactics in an under 7's football match.

[Longy]

Just a silly hand to discuss as its such an unusual spot to be in because you took the worst possible lines to get here.

It's like asking us to analyse the tactics in an under 7's football match.

Shoot high, easy game.

[piestack]

sorry, meant mid pairs

as for the turn call, my point is whether he's bluffing or value betting he's usually gonna bet the river so betfolding and checkfolding aren't as bad as check calling

[Royal Flush]

sorry, meant mid pairs

Make it easier, the only pairs he is going 3b are the ones he wants to get in.

[nirvana]

hate stuff like that. Like when someone grabs u during a break at some live donkament and goes to describe a hand willy nilly without stacksize/blinds/position/reads etc.

Sure won't do this every time I see you from now on.

Got there before me, sorry Alex

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