Spot in NL rush poker I really hate.

[NoflopsHomer]

Is 5-bet/call the best option here really? Seems a bit spewy.

Full Tilt Poker Game #18139041370: Table Afterburner (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:15:38 ET - 2010/02/03
Seat 1: dmlavigne1 ($86.70)
Seat 2: rkwlrkwlgofk ($215.70)
Seat 3: hey6foot6 ($45.70)
Seat 4: Foaming_Homer ($179.50)
Seat 5: WhatUpWeedMang ($606.10)
Seat 6: MrDinosaur1 ($145.15)
MrDinosaur1 posts the small blind of $0.50
dmlavigne1 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [ ]
rkwlrkwlgofk has 8 seconds left to act
rkwlrkwlgofk folds
hey6foot6 raises to $3.50
Foaming_Homer raises to $11
WhatUpWeedMang has 15 seconds left to act
WhatUpWeedMang raises to $27
MrDinosaur1 folds
dmlavigne1 folds
hey6foot6 folds
Foaming_Homer has no clue what to do here.

[NoflopsHomer]

Fold here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #18139439462: Table Afterburner (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:41:29 ET - 2010/02/03
Seat 1: Foaming_Homer ($114)
Seat 2: dbwldbs ($125.85)
Seat 3: ddalrock ($172.40)
Seat 4: goodoldbm ($190.05)
Seat 5: oursurveysaid ($88.95)
Seat 6: maxems ($348.25)
maxems posts the small blind of $0.50
Foaming_Homer posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [ ]
dbwldbs folds
ddalrock folds
goodoldbm raises to $3
oursurveysaid calls $3
maxems folds
Foaming_Homer raises to $15.50
goodoldbm has 15 seconds left to act
goodoldbm raises to $32
oursurveysaid folds
Foaming_Homer has 15 seconds left to act

[NoflopsHomer]

Finally, line check here. Should I possibly be flatting here pre?

Full Tilt Poker Game #18139493168: Table Afterburner (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:45:04 ET - 2010/02/03
Seat 1: nevermo ($141.30)
Seat 2: woody984 ($301.25)
Seat 3: fmeany ($102.55)
Seat 4: Foaming_Homer ($258.50)
Seat 5: HomeRow ($258.95)
Seat 6: Gocrazy77 ($295.70)
fmeany posts the small blind of $0.50
Foaming_Homer posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [ ]
HomeRow raises to $4
Gocrazy77 folds
nevermo folds
woody984 folds
fmeany folds
Foaming_Homer raises to $14
HomeRow has 15 seconds left to act
HomeRow calls $10
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Foaming_Homer has 15 seconds left to act
Foaming_Homer bets $17.50
HomeRow calls $17.50
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Foaming_Homer checks
HomeRow has 15 seconds left to act
HomeRow checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Foaming_Homer checks
HomeRow checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Foaming_Homer shows [ ] a pair of Jacks
HomeRow shows [ ] a pair of Queens
HomeRow wins the pot ($60.50) with a pair of Queens

[byronkincaid]

everybody got stats on rush now. PT3 have got a HUD working, HEM is still the export to stats thing AFAIK, things are moving pretty fast, might have changed overnight or whatever

[outragous76]

Hand 1 I'm getting them in against a big stack. I think that there is a good chance he is folding to your next raise

Hand 2 is marginal but I think I can find a fold

[Woodsey]

1. Ship

2. Fold

3. You did well to lose so little, what do you do if he bets say 3/4 pot on turn?

[NoflopsHomer]

I was chatting to luckyscrote about the hands, he thinks hand one (without reads) is a fold because of the stack sizes, hand two is a fold and but the last hand I should probably bet/fold the turn as the only hands I'm losing to that might shove are 9's and maybe 5's.

In answer to your question Woodsey, I think I probably would've folded the turn.

[outragous76]

Chris, as much as i respect dans view i think that the re raise works BECAUSE of the stack sizes.

He can easily fold to your raise knowing that he is now committted to another $200 or so with only 27 in now (ie you arent folding).

HIs play looks strong (as it is a cold 4 bet) - but therefore it is an easy play with minimal exposure compared to his stack. Below is a hand i played a similar way (cross posted from the rush poker thread). I make this play alot - i have raised UTG in teh rush poker format, therefore my 4 bet looks super strong - but i can still fold if he 5 bets. FWIW i havent seen a light 5 bet in this format yet.

Full Tilt Poker Game #18076326707: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:48:39 ET - 2010/01/31
Seat 1: Pistol Repete ($122.85)
Seat 2: kauZey ($308.25)
Seat 3: PHILIVEY9563 ($226.05)
Seat 4: JLsqad ($40.35)
Seat 5: rogbjoern ($8.95)
Seat 6: krayziebone17 ($168.60)
Seat 7: outragous76 ($546.80)
Seat 8: Donec Impleat ($80)
Seat 9: SUNNNY510 ($107.65)
rogbjoern posts the small blind of $0.50
krayziebone17 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [td ]
outragous76 raises to $3
Donec Impleat folds
SUNNNY510 has 15 seconds left to act
SUNNNY510 has timed out
SUNNNY510 folds
Pistol Repete folds
kauZey folds
PHILIVEY9563 raises to $11
JLsqad folds
rogbjoern folds
krayziebone17 folds
outragous76 raises to $36
PHILIVEY9563 folds
Uncalled bet of $25 returned to outragous76
outragous76 mucks
outragous76 wins the pot ($23.50)
*** SUMMARY ***


also you have AK green - what can go wrong?

[GreekStein]

Hand 2 is a fold imo, his rr looks sick strong. I'd have to have a lot more info on villain to do anything else but fold there.

Hand 1, Scrote is prob right but the games I've played in have been so ripe with 3 and 4 betting that I'm getting it in here.

[doubleup]

Hand 1, Scrote is prob right but the games I've played in have been so ripe with 3 and 4 betting that I'm getting it in here.

Are you both taking the fact that the opener is shortish into account?  ie I think the 4 bet is more likely for value than not.

[EvilPie]

1 - Get it in. If your stack size means you shouldn't get it in here then close this table and open up again with 50 bigs.

2 - Sigh fold

3 - WP. You can't beat anything at all. If he's got AK or AQ he's not calling a river bet. He probably hero calls everything that beats you unless you bet very big. Nice escape.

[Cf]

1 - Fold, or get it in. I've not played these myself but hear there's a lot of 3/4betting going on. Villian has big stack. Either he's been hit in the face by the deck or has been getting it in quite often. I'm prob happy to get AKg in here.

2 - Fold.

3 - Seems fine. Prob don't bet as don't see many hands he has that pay off with worse than us. If he bets then tricky decision but I'm probably folding.

[doubleup]

So many ppl who love bluffing ITT

A question for you - if you call the 4 bet and c/r the flop (assuming neither of you improve) do you think that villain will call or fold with a different range than they would have preflop? 

[UpTheMariners]

hand 1 - fold, getting in here at .5/1 v unkown who's probably straight forward is really bad.

hand 2 - i'd call pre if i'm not happy about getting it in pre flop

hand 3 - similar situation you really need to be asking yourself why am i 3 betting? i'd prob call pre v unknown but don't mind 3bet.

[Numpty Dumpty]

1. fold. horrible to get it in because of stack sizes

2. fold. too easy to be tempted into calling, but this is such a bad spot.

3. be glad he didnt bet the turn, and that the river brought 4 to a straight. correct play from you imo - i like the check on the turn with a view to value betting any small card/pair up on the end - most players read you for AK/AQ and call with poo. if he bets when you check the turn i think you have to sigh and check-call down, but maybe you can escape the river