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« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2010, 05:42:31 PM » |
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« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2010, 06:02:12 PM » |
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100k fine
Which is peanuts really in the scheme of things! Defo think the grid penalty should have been given also and warning about future |
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« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2010, 06:08:19 PM » |
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question about fines
Does the fine come out of the teams develpoment budget for the next year?
So if fined 100k they'd have 100k less to spend on the car?
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« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2010, 06:16:47 PM » |
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question about fines
Does the fine come out of the teams develpoment budget for the next year?
So if fined 100k they'd have 100k less to spend on the car?
As there is no budget cap, then is essence yes as their development budget is unlimited (limited to what they can get out of Fiat and from sponsorship) Given that it costs in excess of a few million dollars to re-engineer a front wing alone then $100k isn't really going to dent their P&L. They are also being referred to the WMSC (World Motor Sport Council) that famously fined McLaren $50m for Industrial Espionage so this story may yet run and run. (Or it will just prove that FIA stands for Ferrari International Assistance lol). |
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« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2010, 06:18:24 PM » |
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question about fines
Does the fine come out of the teams develpoment budget for the next year?
So if fined 100k they'd have 100k less to spend on the car?
No, just out of Owner coffers. For Ferrari its a drop in the ocean given the team owners the matter is being referred to the Motorsports council for September though. Would expect some form of retrospective action then, though of course the history is of fudging on this issue I was surprised how blatant Ferrari were. Use a real cryptic code, just don't say it straight! |
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« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2010, 06:35:13 PM » |
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Farce - it's a team sport, team orders should be allowed.
Hint to Red Bull, McLaren and others - if you don't want another team to stitch up the 1-2 order be more good at making your cars go round the track.
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« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2010, 06:38:22 PM » |
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Farce - it's a team sport, team orders should be allowed.
whether they should or shouldn't be allowed is a matter of opinion and isn't relevant here that they're not currently allowed is a matter of fact |
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« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2010, 06:40:02 PM » |
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Farce - it's a team sport, team orders should be allowed.
yes but Rule 39.1 they're not. Immaterial whether it should be As it is, there is a clear breach, and a result altering penalty is pretty clear IMO. However the stewards passed the hot potato on and by the time lawyers get involved it will be fudged. |
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« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2010, 06:44:06 PM » |
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Yeah - I meant that the farce was that orders weren't allowed, not that the punishment was wrong.
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« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2010, 07:15:30 PM » |
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Specifically broke the rules there surely, clear as day on the radio instructions?
Clear as day to fans, clear as mud to the FIA and Lawyers. No punishment due to the waters being muddied. Team orders should be allowed in F1. NOT because I agree with them, but only because (obvious from this incident) they cannot be prevented. Good Post Team orders can't be stopped. Ferrari just made it to obvious today, they could easily make it look like Massa made a mistake and nothing can be done. |
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« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2010, 07:29:00 PM » |
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Just watched this.
Smedley's interview was awesome.
"I was pushing him"
"I said sorry because he lost the position"
The constant swerves of the truth really made me cringe.
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« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2010, 05:29:46 PM » |
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Another cop out of a decision from the FIA..No further punishment for team orders from Ferrari in Germany.
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« Reply #73 on: September 08, 2010, 05:36:24 PM » |
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Another cop out of a decision from the FIA..No further punishment for team orders from Ferrari in Germany.
Absolutely pathetic. Haven't read anything about it yet but assuming this is correct it's ridiculous. FIA had a great chance here to show some balls similar to when they muffed McLaren for cheating and they blew it. |
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« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2010, 09:47:43 PM » |
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Another cop out of a decision from the FIA..No further punishment for team orders from Ferrari in Germany.
Absolutely pathetic. Haven't read anything about it yet but assuming this is correct it's ridiculous. FIA had a great chance here to show some balls similar to when they muffed McLaren for cheating that electing Jean Todt would not lead to Ferrari bias and they blew it. FYP. |
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