Deep OOP preflop spot from UKIPT

[EvilPie]

If this guy is a good player he will be 3betting you light (espesh on the button) knowing that this is near the final table bubble and people will be scared to go out. My guess is he is trying to take control of the table. I think if you 4bet him here he is most likely to fold as he also knows how close it is to the final table. If he does infact 5bet you here I still don't think I'm finding a fold. How about making a large 4bet to say to him "I'm not folding".

The other option is call pre, play AQ sooted out of position.. to an aggressive player, who is most likely to own us all day long, unless of course we flop big. We could call pre and plan to check-raise alot of flops as bluffs. Either way I think probably a HUGE 4bet is the best option. Theres also the passive option of letting him run over the table and fold AQ pre, "No need to get involved with the other big stack and all that" But I don't think I'm letting him do this stick it in his eye

don't understand this mate, seems tez?

Yeah I hate this move.

If our bet size says 'I'm not folding' then what do we put his range at when he shoves?

Can AQ beat it? I doubt it so we end up folding.

He then shows us 58o and tells us we showed how scared we were with our obvious 'I'm not folding' bet.

[pleno1]

4bet get it in/ call and play the streets.

dont ever 4bet fold here

[Cottonbud]

If this guy is a good player he will be 3betting you light (espesh on the button) knowing that this is near the final table bubble and people will be scared to go out. My guess is he is trying to take control of the table. I think if you 4bet him here he is most likely to fold as he also knows how close it is to the final table. If he does infact 5bet you here I still don't think I'm finding a fold. How about making a large 4bet to say to him "I'm not folding".

The other option is call pre, play AQ sooted out of position.. to an aggressive player, who is most likely to own us all day long, unless of course we flop big. We could call pre and plan to check-raise alot of flops as bluffs. Either way I think probably a HUGE 4bet is the best option. Theres also the passive option of letting him run over the table and fold AQ pre, "No need to get involved with the other big stack and all that" But I don't think I'm letting him do this stick it in his eye

don't understand this mate, seems tez?

Think about it a bit more deeply. By you making a large 4bet at this stage in the tournament you are saying to him "don't 3bet me now unless you wanna get it in son".
Lets say you 4-bet to 120k he can 5bet you light so easily now, this is fine aslong as you are 6-bet shoving.
But if you want to end the hand now (pre) and not get it in with AQ make a big 4-bet and he has to fold all marginals (weak holdings) and can only shove when he has it. To be honest I'm not happy to play for stacks with AQ at this stage. But obv it would be sick and pretty tez to have to fold after making a huge 4-bet, but I don't see how he can ever shove unless he does have it. The most likely case is he folds and leaves you alone for a few orbits. The other option being call pre and get creative, which could end up turning into a disaster!

Ps - I'm going to ask my Swedish mate what he thinks of this hand. Its a pretty interesting one and I think its a really tough spot. I'll post what he says!

[GreekStein]

I play the hand like Toby suggested. Call and play post flop.

[Cottonbud]

If this guy is a good player he will be 3betting you light (espesh on the button) knowing that this is near the final table bubble and people will be scared to go out. My guess is he is trying to take control of the table. I think if you 4bet him here he is most likely to fold as he also knows how close it is to the final table. If he does infact 5bet you here I still don't think I'm finding a fold. How about making a large 4bet to say to him "I'm not folding".

The other option is call pre, play AQ sooted out of position.. to an aggressive player, who is most likely to own us all day long, unless of course we flop big. We could call pre and plan to check-raise alot of flops as bluffs. Either way I think probably a HUGE 4bet is the best option. Theres also the passive option of letting him run over the table and fold AQ pre, "No need to get involved with the other big stack and all that" But I don't think I'm letting him do this stick it in his eye

don't understand this mate, seems tez?

Yeah I hate this move.

If our bet size says 'I'm not folding' then what do we put his range at when he shoves?

Can AQ beat it? I doubt it so we end up folding.

He then shows us 58o and tells us we showed how scared we were with our obvious 'I'm not folding' bet.

This is true just said same in my previous quote - Passive play ftw then I guess! Sighhhh!

[George2Loose]

Deffo call and play the streets. Had a similar spot with tens against him before I blew up.

[Royal Flush]

is kellet actually banned from blonde? i know most here hate the guy but would be good to have his thoughts since he 4bet folded TT to the guy in a very similar spot 2 hours before this.

ah seems a good idea

[titaniumbean]

Put 25k in the pot and see what 3 cards come out. Soul read thereafter.


I think call > fold > 4bet (without a plan) > 4bet fold > 4 bet (to get it in).



edit i'd also be kinda interested in asking why you lead into the pfr with no history in your first 3 bet pot on KQJ or whatever you said it was, what did you have and why?

[NigDawG]

is kellet actually banned from blonde? i know most here hate the guy but would be good to have his thoughts since he 4bet folded TT to the guy in a very similar spot 2 hours before this.

ah seems a good idea

lol yh i wouldn't do this but he must of had a reason, the spots are very similar so his thoughts would of been interesting i would of thought. maybe not on this forum tho eeeeek

[NigDawG]

edit i'd also be kinda interested in asking why you lead into the pfr with no history in your first 3 bet pot on KQJ or whatever you said it was, what did you have and why?

i was shorter stacked at the time but i remember stacks were good for bet/3b all in and not c/r. also didn't give him the chance to take a free card

[titaniumbean]

edit i'd also be kinda interested in asking why you lead into the pfr with no history in your first 3 bet pot on KQJ or whatever you said it was, what did you have and why?

i was shorter stacked at the time but i remember stacks were good for bet/3b all in and not c/r. also didn't give him the chance to take a free card

furry muff, just that usually the higher card boards aren't that great for leading on. Also if he is a good player surely he is calling a lead more often than he is raising?

[LeKnave]

easy 4b/call here.

[Royal Flush]

easy 4b/call here.

ha shutup you nit

[railtard1]

yeh no need to over complicate, just call. Pretty sure your likely to win it on a ton of flops anyway.
Dont think 4bet / calling is brilliant if he has any thought process... after showing 58o previous doubt he gona be 5 betting light again

[EvilPie]

I'm hoping that as this hand progresses Chris just calls.

The similar online hand I played I did a flat call but messed up the streets.

Railtard says we're likely to win it on a ton of flops anyway but why? We're up against a competent aggro player with position on us.

What makes you think we're going to win this on any board that we don't hit? Is this aggro 5 betting with 58o oppo suddenly going to become passive when he doesn't hit a flop full in the face?