Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[EvilPie]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

Ever had a go on the lottery Mantis?

Still I suppose that's only 14,000,000 to 1 so it's a lot different.

Stick to PHA mate. At least you have a slim chance of putting together a sensible argument over there.

[StuartHopkin]

Sigh

I was looking for some constructive discussion over the content of the book.
I realise I stated that I always thought they had something to hide, but im not overly interested in peoples opinions that because they seem like nice people they cant have done it.

I cant be bothered to find it but i think nearly 90% of cases like this involve someone related or close to the family, so anyone saying that is ludicrous is kidding themselves.

[StuartHopkin]

Can't be arsed to read it, but is this book saying they murdered her, or that they went out and effectively her death was caused by their neglect and they've tried to cover it up?

Slightly different things really, one's premeditated (i.e. murder) and the other is manslaughter (they didn't go out with the intention of killing anyone).

I think thats the point of the book, they didnt trust the McCanns, none of the Portugese GNR. They knew that she died in that apartment but they dont know exactly what happened.

[TheChipPrince]

I havent read the book/link, but hope too, I have a morbid interest in things like this, find them fascinating...

[StuartHopkin]

Whilst I have not read the book it must be said that the arguments that the (a) parents killed her or (b) dumped the body to cover up neglect are both ridiculous.

(a)
1 - The parents hardly appear to be Fred and Rose West
2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

(b)
1 - In the event of accidental death, surely a better option would have been to say nothing until morning and then claim it must have happened while you were sleeping.
2 - surely having your daughter supposedly kidnapped and presumed murdered whilst you have dinner is just as bad as her accidentally dying whilst you were having dinner.

As for the claim that "there was a credible witness who saw Gerry McCann carrying the body away after the reported her missing." hhmm I think you might hide the body before reporting her missing.

Im sure people who met the lovely Fred & Rose all thought 'Shit me, murderin mofo's ldo'

I dont think you would be thinking to well if you found your daughter dead after leaving her alone one night. I think covering up your negligence might pop into your head.

It only takes one lie to start the whole thing off doesnt it? Once that one thing has been said, how could they ever go back on it?

[Acidmouse]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

do you know which percentage of unlawful killings are carried out by someone known to the victim ?

yep very high.

[StuartHopkin]

If they were guilty, and as you say nobody could prove it, I reckon the last 3 years hunting the globe, private investigators, international campaigns, web-sites, court cases etc...would be a thoroughly ridiculous charade. Even crazy child-killlers would have called a halt to the sham by now. Probably desperate innocent parents with an ounce of hope would be the only people still looking. Proof enough imo.

Or people desperate to stay out of jail/go down in history as monsters etc etc.

I don't have an opinion on what happened but it seems to me that if they were involved then you can't really fathom out their motives, their emotions, how they would act.

I have an opinion on what happened. I reckon their daughter got snatched on holiday. The theory that during a weeks self-catering in Portugal the parents snuffed out one of their kids, covered it up, and then spent the next 3 years searching the world is a lunatic theory. If somebody came up to you in the bookies and tipped a 200/1 shot you'd think that person was feckin mad, yet the monster parent lunatic theory is like a 20,000,000/1 shot and people are like hmmm...

Mantis your posts on this thread are lunacy.
If you honestly live in a world where thats a 20,000,000/1 shot no wonder you struggle on the PHA threads.

[david3103]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

do you know which percentage of unlawful killings are carried out by someone known to the victim ?

yep very high.

According to friedman et al (via wikipedia) 61% of murdered American children under 5 are killed by a parent

[StuartHopkin]

Whilst I have not read the book

2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

Have a read, then we can discuss why they havent been charged?

[Graham C]

Whilst I have not read the book

2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

Have a read, then we can discuss why they havent been charged?

no body?

[GreekStein]

Those people who want a £1 bet on the lunatic parent theory are like those old women who turn up in Hills on Grand National Day wanting 50p e/w on Charlie's Dream at 500/1 because they once knew somebody called Charlie.

I blame scummy Karen Matthews for all this.

Ever had a go on the lottery Mantis?

Still I suppose that's only 14,000,000 to 1 so it's a lot different.

Stick to PHA mate. At least you have a [ ] slim chance of putting together a sensible argument over there.

lol & FYP

[action man]

a few things that strike me as odd from the case.

im a kidnapper, "oh yes, a popular tourist destination" yes we'll get the 4 year old and leave the younger and less recognisable (in years to come) twins alone
if the mccans did accidentaly kill maddie, i expect it to be that they wanted to go out she was making loads of noise and they shook her to death by accident.
Or that they didnt want to be held negligable after leaving the small children in an appartment while they went out cavorting.
If they were involved then going on a campign for 3 years is exactly what they would do to avoid the suspision which is bound to arrive.
After repressing thoughts and living a lie, sooner or later you start to believe that lie, which would make them harder to read via psychologists and the like.

Now im not saying they are involved at all, but would i be surprised if one day they broke down and admitted murder and disposal. Not at all, and every day that goes by without a body being found or maddie being found, makes this case that little bit more likely.

id price it up like this

body never found  1/4
killer/s found 16/1
maddies parents casued the death of her  5/2

[david3103]

Whilst I have not read the book

2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

Have a read, then we can discuss why they havent been charged?

no body?

Lack of evidence more like. Yes I've had a look at the website which is jampacked with innuendo supposition and unsubstantiated claim., No I don't know what happened and I guess it's unlikely any of us ever will.

Why is it still being debated? Because the story is a tabloid journalists wet dream - pretty little girl; attractive mum; foreign (mildly exotic) location; and divided opinions and prejudices to play with.

[vegaslover]

Whilst I have not read the book it must be said that the arguments that the (a) parents killed her or (b) dumped the body to cover up neglect are both ridiculous.

(a)
1 - The parents hardly appear to be Fred and Rose West
2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

(b)
1 - In the event of accidental death, surely a better option would have been to say nothing until morning and then claim it must have happened while you were sleeping.
2 - surely having your daughter supposedly kidnapped and presumed murdered whilst you have dinner is just as bad as her accidentally dying whilst you were having dinner.

As for the claim that "there was a credible witness who saw Gerry McCann carrying the body away after the reported her missing." hhmm I think you might hide the body before reporting her missing.

Im sure people who met the lovely Fred & Rose all thought 'Shit me, murderin mofo's ldo'

I dont think you would be thinking to well if you found your daughter dead after leaving her alone one night. I think covering up your negligence might pop into your head.

It only takes one lie to start the whole thing off doesnt it? Once that one thing has been said, how could they ever go back on it?

Fred in particular was known to Police for a long time, including for a complaint of kidnap. The Police dismissed it as him being a bit dim and 'the villiage idiot'
I don't think the McCanns killed their child, but wouldn't be surprised to find out that the girl either died or had a fatal accident whilst they were left alone in the apartment.
Saying that i'm pretty sure the Portugese Police were pretty incompetent and couldn't really give a fuck, like most tourist destinations.

[Jon MW]

Whilst I have not read the book

2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

Have a read, then we can discuss why they havent been charged?

no body?

Lack of evidence more like. Yes I've had a look at the website which is jampacked with innuendo supposition and unsubstantiated claim., No I don't know what happened and I guess it's unlikely any of us ever will.

Why is it still being debated? Because the story is a tabloid journalists wet dream - pretty little girl; attractive mum; foreign (mildly exotic) location; and divided opinions and prejudices to play with.

It's been decades and decades since you needed a body to be able to charge someone with murder