Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[HOLDorFOLD]

Hopefully Michelle will post her thoughts on here when she has read it.

Yep. I'll be posting my thoughts on the book when I get the chance to read it ... could be a while as really busy with work at  he moment.

Wanting the link to the book interested me because it was a 'case' that interested me.   Unlike other disappearances where there has been no 'forensic evidence of violence' - for example Susie Lamplugh, with this case there was evidence ... the blood splatters in the apartment.   Now, this could have been due Maddie having an accident of some sort, whilst her parents were out.  It also may have been the result of something more sinister.  Who really knows .... that's the reason I wanted to have a read of this book whilst 'keeping an open mind' on this case.

As for my own thoughts on it , all I can go on is a gut feeling that something just didn't sit right at the time, and more with the dad than the mum.  I have nothing to base this on, just from what I saw on the television.   Now, again this may be based on guilt feelings eminating from the parents whose 'crime' per se was leaving under aged children unattended for long periods of time.


@Chrisbruce  ... I fail to see where the whole line of the thread is disgusting though.  The OP was not written in an abusive manor nor in a manor set out to deliberately cause controversy. It was a post set out to discuss a book about an event that captured many many peoples interest and intrigue. The content of course is not going to be pleasant because what happened to Maddie (if we ever find out) was not pleasant ... but it happened.  

Putting my thoughts out there, I think the only disgusting post on this thread is the one made by you Chris because it was a personal flaming about a poster who quite clearly was posting about discussion on the content of a book.

In a bit of a rush while typing this as the blonde league game has started.

I believe the very small traces were eventually confirmed to be from a man who rented the appartment post the McCanns.

It will be interesting to compare content of the book v other documented statements.  Crazyness that the apartment, a crime scene, was even allowed to be rented out before forensics were carried out... unless of course this was confirmed in further forensic tests performed by the McCanns team having been dissatisified with the Portugal Polices enqquuiries/tests?

Lots to read up on here.

[Pyso]

For what it's worth, I have played golf with Gerry McCann several times and indeed remember blurting out to my wife - "..that's Gerry McCann - he's a member at my golf club" when the story first broke on the TV.

He always seemed a straight up sort of guy. I can't say I know him well and haven't seen him in ages anyway but I find it hard to believe that he would do anything out of the ordinary as outlined in the OP. I have not read the 'book' myself by the way.

I also do not really have an opinion on the matter with regards to what transpired that night. The media tell us their story and theirs alone so it is never balanced. It is a very sad case and I hope they find Madelaine but in my heart of hearts I feel it is most likely that she is dead after all this time. (Like I imagine most of us do, which is the real subtext of the story and why it ran for so long).

[nirvana]

The Mccanns. I feel sad about the misery they have gone through but on balance I find them pretty contemptible.

I don't know what they think about me

[celtic]

The Mccanns. I feel sad about the misery they have gone through but on balance I find them pretty contemptible.

I don't know what they think about me

oh, pretty much stick on to dislike you. Everyone else does :-)

[TightEnd]

Difficult subject

Lots of emotive opinions


No flaming please (or quoting posts with flaming in), which is why a few posts have been deleted


Thanks for understanding

[Woodsey]

In with 

Can't believe there hasn't been one yet

[StuartHopkin]

Thanks to those who have stuck up for me, but please dont worry about any sort of flaming of me. I have little interest in what 99% of people think of me.

I like Chris a lot, and obviously this thread didnt sit well with him and I apologise for that, and respect his opinions. I have no problems with what he said at all so theres no point discussing that.

I may have been naive thinking this could be discussed as I thought. Im sure anything Tighty has removed was well jusdged as usual and I have no interest in seeing or knowing the content.

As Michelle said, I never meant to cause offence, most people on here who know me will know exactly when that is my intention!

The biggest interest to me, was the two specialist dogs flown over from Britain. They're searching and reactions.
I don't know much about such highly trained dogs, and if my only reference is that book.

[david3103]

Look, folks, if you find this subject far too sensitive for you liking then AVOID it, don't read it, don't post on it......

It reminds of the ridiculous TV complaints bullshit thing, where people report something that they find offensive or whatever!!!  Just don't bloody watch it FFS.

I just hope that one day Maddie will turn up and be able to tell her story and put this whole thing to bed, it's not knowing the facts that causes the controversy and I'm afraid the only people who know the facts are the parents and, sadly, we ain't gonna know what they are!

It ain't necessarily so...

[Jon MW]

... on balance I find them pretty contemptible.

...

Why?

[gatso]

mr hopkin, I'm not going to read the book as the subject is of zero interest to me but could you tell me about these things that might be interesting

After reading about the following I was intrigued and wanted to discuss in an open minded manner;

The dogs used to search the apartment

The equipment that can apparently locate a body from a strand of hair (WTF!?!?)

[TheChipPrince]

Agree with Gatso, give us a taster Stu of those things...

[StuartHopkin]

Ill have a go.

Mark Harrison a UK forensic expert who was working on the case suggested the use of two dogs.
One EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog), this dog is capable of detecting human cadaver odour
One CSI (Crime Scene Investigation) dog, capable of of detecting himan blood.
13th July 2007 the two dogs, Eddie (EVRD) and Keela (CSI) arrive in Portugal.

The way they use the dogs is to send Eddie in first to detect if there has been the presence of a cadaver.
If Eddie believes a cadaver was present Keela goes in to find the slightest trace of blood.

Apparently the dogs, both Springer Spaniels have been used in many of the high profile cases here in Britain, with great success.

Allegedly Eddie let out a howl in both the parents bedroom, and by the sofa that had been pushed back against the window.
Keela then went in and found traces of blood between the window and sofa.
When searching the house they were staying in, Eddie came across the soft toy and again barked to indicate that it had the odour of being in contact with a cadaver.
These dogs also confirmed a cadaver had been present in the car helped find blood on the key and boot.

Obviously there is a lot more talk about the dogs and their behaviour, but I found it very interesting that these dogs appear to be relied upon here in the UK but the evidence they provided over there didnt count for much.

[StuartHopkin]

Kate heard of a former South African army colonel named Krugal, who had perfected a machine enabling him to detect the presence of a body.
This was apparently achieved by placing a a hair of the person in the machine, it could then detect and identical particles emitted by a decomposing body.

Apparently the McCanns requested he came to Portugal officially and this was granted.

He did his search and defined a corridor about 300m wide between the cliffs and the roman bath, stating "Madeline's body is in this area"
He then left.

The whole thing just sounds bizarre to me, could this ever be possible? Does anyone know anything about this guy and his machine? Apparently there has been a TV documentary?

[TheChipPrince]

Cadaver.  Good word.

Sniffer dogs are awesome aren't they?

These are probably basic facts, but I'm not clued up on this.

Was there any sign of forced entry?

How long do the McCann's say they left her alone for?

[Josedinho]

I'm reading it at the moment Stu so will post when i've finished.